(February 20, 2019 at 5:43 pm)fredd bear Wrote:(February 20, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: What arewethereyet found strange was how little faith these holy people had in God and that he would protect them by having such extensive security. It's like going on a lake to walk on water but also bringing with you scuba gear just in case there is no God.
God helps those who help themselves.
The Bible doesn't say that.
fb Wrote:But then, there are those aggressive preachers on TV who insist god needs money. I even read of one who told his flock he needs a private jet.
What makes you believe he was speaking for God, I can tell you he was not. These guys are looking out for themselves only and most likely join the many in hell.
fb Wrote:Mum had a dear friend, a Christian Scientist, who deeply believed God will provide; She did not believe in doctors. The dear friend developed cancer and died.
Sad when people waste their lives like that, God gave doctors the brains and skills to help the sick, it's his way of working through mankind. He can and does heal through miracles without doctors being involved. You see though not all Christians believe the way your mum's friend did.
fb Wrote:Being a believer doesn't necessarily mean the person is a complete idiot. The examples we get her are atypical of believers I've known, and still know. Most of 'em are just like real people, as long as you don't talk about god.
So you think that all believers are partial idiots, that's bigotry. What's an atypical believer never heard of one of those? So you believe that Christians act like real people until they become concerned for your eternal life, now that seems to be an atypical atheist statement.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.