On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

[quote='possibletarian' pid='1886621' dateline='1550770142']
Oh I'm fine with god as a 'something that you believe is true' but wouldn't you agree to give it any authority beyond that means establishing that this god exists as a fact.

To quote scripture, or claim that a god showed you the truth of, or revealed to you the meaning of anything in scripture require that you provide reasonable proof, otherwise how can anyone tell the difference between what you simply believe is revelation, and what is in fact revelation. ?

For instance lets take your above reply 'neither can it come from the Bible itself. It comes from God and only from Him.' How do we tell the difference ?  This is meaningless as an authoritative statement unless we can first establish there is a god outside of a persons faith.

Well, I can answer you but you're not going to like the answer:

Let's see

"We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error." (1 John 4:6)

How do you know this to be true, as opposed to something someone just wrote ?

If you're the Lord's, you'll hear me. If not, then you don't have ears to hear. That doesn't mean seeds can't be planted, or that you won't eventually hear. That's all up to God.

Okay, so how do we test the truth of this ?

But again, we're sort of back discussing this premise. If you can't believe in the existence of God, then how can you possibly have ears to hear?

That's just gobbledygook, I'm convinced of the existence of lots of things, what do you mean by 'can't believe in' ?
I would be happy to believe in any god where the proof matched the claims.
 

And the problem remains the same: you. You're the problem, not God,

This is typical of what i mean, how can you claim a person is the problem, and not god, without first establishing a god ?

assuming you truly don't believe He exists and aren't simply in denial. Denial is, after all, usually involuntary, difficult to see (when you're the one in denial), and much easier than facing reality.

What reality,  can you show me one I am not familiar with ?  

The bottom line is that those who accept the existence of God and have been given ears to hear will hear what I say and it will resonate with them as true; you'll know it instinctively. It may take some time to fully develop into conviction, but people know when they hear the Truth.

And all religions, creeds, nutjobs, conspiracy theorists would say exactly the same, how do we know what you believe exists anywhere but in your head ?
How do you asses your claim to be correct .. faith ?