RE: Surreal day on the job...more of the same on the way.
February 23, 2019 at 7:29 am
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2019 at 7:30 am by Fake Messiah.)
(February 23, 2019 at 3:22 am)Godscreated Wrote: Ah, Lucifer was the greatest of the angels, he even walked in the Garden of Eden with God.
Ah, maybe in the Bible according to Godscreated, but in the rest of the Bibles Satan is mentioned first time in Zechariah and First Chronicles where Satan is depicted as a member of God's court whose basic duty is to accuse human beings before God. He is not presented at this point as an enemy of God or as a leader of evil, demonic forces. (Zech. 3:1–2; and 1 Chron. 21:1)
(February 23, 2019 at 3:22 am)Godscreated Wrote: The heaven and earth that is mention in Matthew's passage is this planet and it's atmosphere, and there is the possibility it could be all of the universe.
I told you that they used the same word for all "heavens". Also people at that time did not have a notion of the atmosphere and they thought that the heaven above stretches indefinitely. Therefore they also didn't know about the universe or what the stars were. Not until 17th century when Evangelista Torricelli discovered air pressure did people realize that the heaven is not infinite because air pressure gets weaker with altitude until it disappears and that's how the universe was discovered. And just before Torricelli discovered that, England's bishop Francis Godwin wrote a novel "The Man in the Moone" in which a man flies to the Moon riding on a pack of geese tied to a carriage, because people thought that the atmosphere simply continues forever and writers of the Bible were no better. So they did not know of other heavens, they did not know of the universe, did not know that stars were Suns and they did not know of parallel dimensions - which is even today just a concept in SF stories.
Therefore people that wrote the Bible thought that God and all the saints lives in the heaven above which is layered in seven layers (have you ever heard of a Christian TV show called "7th Heaven"?). You can see that, for instance, when Paul claims he knows a guy who "was taken as far up as the third heaven," (2 Corinthians 12:2-4) -- So no other dimensions!
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
