On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

And there's our problem Mike, you cannot in any reasonable terms discuss christianty without establishing the validity of it's authority first, otherwise what differs it from all other religions, creeds and beliefs that you don't accept ?

For one, there is no other religion that claims God Himself came to us as a man, at least of which I'm aware. Second, everything about Christianity, when it isn't being interpreted through the carnal lenses of phonies, makes sense. Everything about the world can be rationally reconciled with the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is why I was interested in discussing actual Christianity and not simply the existence of God, because the "philosophy" of Christianity makes the truth about God even more readily apparent.

You then go on to claim a special revelation about cancer cures, and claim a site (that you say ) is the only place (you are aware of)  that has true wisdom from god which of course was written by men, who you also claim to be liars, unless they agree with you, or you them.

It's not revelation, I merely said the Lord gave me to stumble across these treatments (or that is what I meant, anyway). The evidence is out there that water fasting can cure all kinds of diseases (including MS and type 1 diabetes). The problem is people put too much faith in men, and prefer simple and easy "fixes" like swallowing pills (and are loath to change their habits, particularly those related to diet). Dandelion root powder is new to the cancer scene, but there is research about that out there as well. The heat treatments (hyperthermia) are widely used in Germany and probably many other places. I'd recommend the film "Cancer Can Be Killed" as one example (just Google it). Doctors are much more interested in making money, so they insist on conventional treatments that rake it in.

Here's your challenge, try discussing the merits or truth of the christian faith without resorting to a godly authority, you can use the bible or any logical argument, but as soon as it requires any special revelation, or claim to be inspired by a god, then clearly you need proof that the author of that authority exists.

Well, what's written in the Bible can only be understood if God gives the understanding. Understanding it on your own would be like an ant attempting to learn astrophysics. That said, the messages in the Bible are clearly spelled out, but to take credit for the understanding absent God's grace would be disingenuous.

And while we've been through this before, I'll state it one final time: proof exists. You just don't consider it to be proof because you're far more interested in disproving God than in proving Him.

Lets put aside the 'uniqueness' of the claims of christianity, as has been shown by the posts of others here the details of christian mythology are mostly not unique at all, and most seem nothing more than re-hashing of earlier myths. In any case a unique claims bears no witness whatsoever to the truth of that claim, so I'm unsure of why christians bring it up anyway, especially as all religions have some aspect that's unique.

I'm not even sure what ''the philosophy of christianity' even means Mike, as I understand it you claim that people trying to understand god's ways are like an ant trying to understand astrophysics, but with special revelation from your god, he's given you extra wisdom or understanding, by all means start your own thread where you can share this wisdom with us.

I've bolded the following, because this seems to be something you cannot get past.

I'll state it one final time: proof exists. You just don't consider it to be proof because you're far more interested in [i]disproving God than in proving Him.[/i]

I and other atheists are not the slightest bit interested in 'disproving' what we have no reason to believe is true in the first place, I spend zero time disproving Thor, Zeus, The Yeti, Superwoman, Allah, I fully extend that lack of effort to Yahweh or Jesus, I also spend no time trying to prove the existence of Allah, Superman, Shiva , or the others as I'm certain if there were a supreme being, his/her/it's existence would not be in doubt at all. Clearly the job of proof is for those who make such claims.

If you want to claim such a being then you either have to settle for 'it's not my job to prove' which brings us back to putting your mythology along in the same bucket as all other religions, who also as strongly believe their faith is true.  If indeed you believe you can argue through the 'philosophy of christianity' (whatever that is) your god into being, then like I say, start a thread with that claim we look forward to it.