RE: Is atheism a belief?
March 3, 2019 at 2:45 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2019 at 2:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 3, 2019 at 11:10 am)bennyboy Wrote:non theists -are- atheists, lol. "non" is the modern english prefix analog for "a" ;(March 3, 2019 at 10:38 am)PRJA93 Wrote: Atheism = without belief in god
Asexuality = without sexual attraction to others
Amorality = without morality
What's the issue? There is no issue. The disingenuous attempt to push atheism as "a belief" is simply a sad attempt by theists to paint atheism as requiring just as much faith as theism.
A + theism = without theism. Without a belief in a god or gods. It's truly simple.
I cannot force myself to believe in god as I cannot force myself to believe that 2 + 2 = 5. You can scream and shout that I have a "belief" that 2 + 2 = 4, but unfortunately for you your efforts would be in vain. I don't "believe" that 2 + 2 = 4, I simply accept it as the fact of what my senses and logic are telling me.
The semantics are a little off, there, as only one of those is an -ism.
There are two ways of deriving atheism:
1) atheos (no god) + ism (a belief) = A position that there is no god.
2) a (not) + theism (belief that god exists) = A lack of a position that there is a god.
The former is sometimes called hard atheism, and the latter soft atheism. The other words don't really break down as ambiguously as that, precisely because they are not -isms.
It's clear that hard atheism represents a belief. But what about soft atheism? If you are just saying, "Hey, dude, I don't subscribe to theistic thought," then is this a lack of belief?
It seems to me that normally, an "-ism" suffix is generally applied last. For example, "polytheism" isn't a collection of theistic traditions (poly + theism). It's an ism formed on the idea of multiple gods, (polytheos + ism). "Pantheism" isn't saying that theistic traditions are everywhere (pan + theism); it's a formation of an everywhere-god (pantheos) with the systematizing noun former, "-ism" added to it. Linguistically, then, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that someone who declares as atheist holds to the position that God does not exist-- and, in fact, I'm pretty sure that this is how the term was originally intended.
Add to this my former complaint, that one normally doesn't look for things one lacks a belief in to identify with (I'm an a-unicornist, a-spaghetti-monsterist, a-magic-space-monkey-ist, and a million other not isms), then I think the expectation that there's some kind of belief, either explicit or implicit, in this particular -ism is a fair one.
I suspect that modern atheists like the ones in these forums often use the term to mean "not a theist," without much consideration for the actual God idea at all. But in that case, rather than identifying as atheists, I think it would be clearer if they identified as non-theists.
non-Dictionary result for non-
/nän/Submit
prefix
1.
expressing negation or absence.
"nonaggression"
2.
(added to adverbs) not in the way described.
Would you feel better if I said that you, like many other agnostic non-theists, find reason to clarify for others that you're not expressing a positive belief?
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