RE: On the subject of Hell and Salvation
March 4, 2019 at 8:19 pm
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2019 at 8:29 pm by MilesAbbott81.)
(March 4, 2019 at 1:16 pm)Drich Wrote: have you hear my theory on this yet?
Your theory is a stretch at best, if I'm to put myself in the shoes of someone unsure of the truth.
There is no need to try to apologize for the traditional creationist viewpoint. Attempting to do so will only make you look stupid and empower those who think they're right. Genesis says 7 days and it means 7 days.
Those opposing the creationist viewpoint have impossible hurdles to clear, not the least of which is the origin of matter, which they are no closer to explaining now than they were thousands of years ago. Add to that the laws of thermodynamics, the conservation of angular momentum, the mathematically insane theory of evolution, and so many other things, they don't have a leg to stand on. Stop playing their game.
(March 4, 2019 at 8:17 pm)possibletarian Wrote: I don't think anyone can prove a god does not exist, especially if we are talking about a god that takes no interest in the universe or us, sometimes you just cannot prove the negative. For instance if I claimed there are penguins running around my living room it would be easy to prove there were not., so you can prove the negative.
However if i then make a mythical creature running round my living room up that has attributes like invisible, non material (spiritual) who only communicates with those who first believe he exists and blinds everyone else to his presence and claimed that was part of the creatures nature then clearly you would struggle.
This is the problem with god, he's timeless, non material, etc. who if you don't believe exists blinds you to his presence anyway and that is part of his nature, then you cannot prove he does not exist, this however gets us no closer to whether he actually does exist or not.
All the attributes I've heard of for god are so phrased as to make him indistinguishable from a man created god just like Allah, Visha, or many other gods, in fact ALL the attributes of god are written by men (who claim divine inspiration) but claim to show that's so.
I must assume an all powerful being, who's desire was that everyone turn to him would know how to make his existence known in such a way that it would be obvious, and that all other claims of god are fake. And that his 'holy' book didn't have to be explained in such an excruciating painful twisted fashion, and perhaps all those who believed sang from the same sheet (as it were). As it is the claims of god and no god are indistinguishable.
He doesn't blind for no reason. Sin is the problem, and that's why He calls us to repentance. That is the core message of the entire Bible: repentance from sin. But the only way you can possibly repent is if you are first broken. Until you're broken, you don't stand a chance. You can call it unfair, but none of us deserve mercy. Victims are sinners.