Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

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I do not have a preconception. I just do not believe what theists have claimed.

surly you understand not everything in your life you have proof for is testable by science right?? Science has no idea what consciousness is yet there is not a waking moment you do not enjoy it.

Consiousness/brain activity can be monitored with scientific equipment.

We can't even say for sure how love works... yes some try to attribute to chemical changes in the brain but love is far more binding that a chemical bath, the same is true with hate. That is just in your own little field of experiences.

And yet love and hate are both well understood both in their cause, effect and even the reason s for their evolution.

That said God does not require endless faith either. God gives us all a mustard seed's worth of faith. a small amount where we choose to put it in. whether that be with God or with in this case man.

Not me, I have never believed for a second in a god.

People have been polarized no in betweens when it come to church and science. to the point they make movies about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead_(film)

This is a film that describes much of the scholastic climate towards people of faith and 'science. where a man of faith is ridiculed and fails his class because he will not deny God, and while you may try and poo poo on the level of personal hate the professor has toward people of faith, this is how a large portion of the world see people of science. something you claim does not exist.

This film is a propaganda that misrepresents both science and education. particularly in one of the most heavily theocratic countries in the world. Remember that in the US it is the atheists who face discrimination from the theists.

propaganda for whom? The move give christians hope in their belief so they can coexist with people who think less of them for their beliefs. how is that propaganda? or is that a term you do not understand? is it ow just a pop culture word that means one sided?

It is blatant pro Christian propaganda that perpetuates a few lies. First it tries to paint Christians as the oppressed when in fact in the US where the film is set they are not only the majority but the countries main oppressor.
It tries to paint denial of god as hatred of god. I don't hate god. I don't think there is one.

again this may not repersent everyone but many do experience this and feel this way. Look at this web site and just look at how you all react to christians no matter how nice they are. Catholic Lady being a good example of a well meaning well tempered person who came here looking for people she could simply be friends with, and look at how she was received and ultimately left! you can't tell me people of science are not polarized in their belief. if you believe this you are lying to yourself.

I liked Catholic Lady, we got on well. She was always considered and thoughtful even though I thought she was wrong in her beliefs she was able to support them to a much higher level than some here and I don't think you could characterise how I interacted as abrasive. You get what you give with me.

Your "collecting data" seems to be all anecdote and nothing that actually consistutes anything even beginning to resemble evidence.

caucasian please.. in the realm of science (what yo experience and what every other douche (who doesn't know how their computers work/or anything else) you consumers you witnesses of 'science' don't lend yourselves to put thought ito anything. YOU ARE TOLD BY PEOPLE LIKE ME WHAT TO THINK BECAUSE WE SAID SO. fancy yourself a think man do ya squirt? Show me YOUR Work on evolution (not what others said or think show me the results of your ORIGINAL EXPERIMENTS the work you've done on matter and energy show me something other than your consumer status and I might be inclined to agree you have contributed something in the way of thought. Otherwise know there is nothing different between you and some little post high school kid sitting in a class room being indoctrinated somewhere in china or north korea.. You are taught be design how to only accept information if it come prepackaged a certain way it must be vetted and certified through certain channels.. which is why the news kept saying it was the uneducated who elected trump. meaning it was everyone who would not accept the national narrative/pre packaged information they where told to accept. You are no different with the 'science' you have no connction to aside from taking on faith what you are told is true. Do me a favor and read this next bit aloud: Baaaaa Baaaaaa (you know the sound a sheep makes)

Although it is true that I have not studied to a large extent physics or biology beyond what is taught at school I know that I could test these for myself. If I was so driven I could study and check the facts because they are all laid down and peer reviewed. With theism though you just have to accept that the religion is true. And that would be bad enough, but I have read the bible and it is ludicrous, I mean a talking snake persuades a woman to eat an apple that somehow gives her knowledge AND it turns out knowledge is a bad thing. There are many many more laugh out loud silly moments but that possibly the first one that actually gets a titter.

I don't remember calling you names, but then these little posts between us are not something I care to retain. I will forget this in a minute.

who are you again? Down beaten plumb.. yes you have made remarks just look at the next paragraph and then look at your last post. same lazy attempt that i called you one back then!

You do seem to have very limited knowledge on practically every sphere of human learning though, biology, history, science and chemistry your ignorance seems to be unrestrained.

That isn't name calling that is an accurate assessment of your capabilities.

what a douche did I not just call you out on doing this very same thing?!?!? You have made no effort in determining my cognitivablities let alone test me in any consistent way as to determine how far my knowledge in any of those subjects are..

I don't need to. You quite freely give of your ignorance everyday. I don't catch all of it but some is really quite staggering in its utter stupidity and lack of understanding on basic things.

the fact that this is your second attempt even after me telling you of this mistake you are compelled beyond reasoning to use the very same insult is telling of your psyche..

It was not meant as an insult, just an observation.

You are projecting your greatest fear/insults onto me.. in that these are the areas you would be obliterated if I could prove you inepth in. Otherwise why bring them up a second time after I had already shown you have done no testing to support any of those charges!!!

inepth?

This is lazy parenting at best.. maybe this is how your dad reigned you in but this is not going to work here with me sport. maybe you need to just bully your kids with that unfounded crap as no one here is going for it.

Its at around this point I started to realise that Drich was off his meds.

Proof sport your digs lack support and proof. do you see how I reference what you say show how you fail and back it up with working examples to prove your failure? That is how smart analytical people work and do things.. Slow emotional people just point to people and list out negative qualities with no rhyme or reason, it is just words to then that create a negative vibe or emotion.. for instance, again nothing you said proved I lacked in any of the areas of education. you just randomly listed fundamentals of basic learning.. again as an emotional attack or dig.. meaning your prize the effect of bring negative feelings over fact which conclusively show you are not analytical/science minded person..

I can almost feel the heat of his skin as he works himself into a lather. I imagine he has a small amount of froth just on the left of his lip