(March 6, 2019 at 10:52 am)Drich Wrote:(March 5, 2019 at 7:53 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Drich,
The Jesus Seminar, which consisted of over a dozen of the most prominent Biblical scholars and dozens of other contributing scholars, coded the entire Gospel of John with black beads (used to vote on whether the group of scholars thought that a particular phrase was actually spoken by the historical Jesus), which means that they believed that not a single sentence in the entire gospel of John was, in fact, spoken by the historical Jesus.
Do you agree with their scholarly analysis and conclusions? If not, why not?
Hell no.. Why? they stacked the deck.. Or rather you stoped reading/thinking when you saw prominate bible scholars... when in fact:
The Jesus Seminar was a group of about 50 critical Biblical scholars and 100 laymen founded in 1985 by Robert Funk that originated under the auspices of the Westar Institute.[1][2] The seminar was very active through the 1980s and 1990s, and into the early 21st century.
Members of the Seminar used votes with colored beads to decide their collective view of the historicity of the deeds and sayings of Jesus of Nazareth.[3] They produced new translations of the New Testament and apocrypha to use as textual sources. They published their results in three reports: The Five Gospels (1993),[4] The Acts of Jesus (1998),[5] and The Gospel of Jesus (1999).[6] They also ran a series of lectures and workshops in various U.S. cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
Do you see the problem?
of course not otherwise you woud not have posted this tripe.
In addition to your 50 professional scholars you have 100 laymen which could mean reformed preacher but it could also mean atheist historian. which even if all 50 professionals agree Jesus said abc your 100 laymen could vote no he did not meaning you would have a 2/3 majority vote that jesus did not say abc when everyone of note could have said the opposite.
The fact that they would isolate john and not address the connective scriptures john shares with the others is very dubious. This whole thing stinks of someone setting up a 'trap' who doesn't know enough about the subject matter to make it look legit.
Meaning you a person ignorant of the bible and how it works as well as how the bible was compiled and of the manuscripts from which the book of John was taken, are desperatly trying to disqualify me and my knowedge base by putting what I said and believe up again something you think is an authority that would normally supperceed any personal discovery by the nature or volume of "certified scholars" involved.
Now either again you stopped reading and thinking when you saw the 50 scholars or you are too stupid to see how 100 more people with o qualifications at all could taint anything the scholars would have to say just by sheer number!
Example lets say that group ws ask does the bible say homosexuality a sin? the scholars if they were worth their salt would all say yes. undeniably. however the layeity is not bound to all say yes are they? (look at the churches who have gay preachers) depending o the layeity the vote could be 100 people saying no sin here verse 50 identifying sin and this "jesus seminar' would declare homosexality not a sin..
So no, I do not give two squirts about a consensus of people who can not all be vetted. Too many varibles and if you agree with them just because they are telling you what you want to hear?!?!? Then you and the brain washed ignorant one. From you I should get a kudo for this and not rebuttal, but yes Drich you are right. I was not aware of the 100 other random people they made apart of this process.
If not the Jesus Seminar and other scholars like them, whom should I trust? You??