On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[fredd bear]

Not quite as sure  with this bit; 

Second Law of thermodynamics;  My understanding is that the law applies only to a closed system. Pretty sure the Big Bang*  was THE mother of all open systems. Apologists seem very fond of quoting it in such a way that it seems obvious that they have not bothered to read it, same goes for Evolution and Climate Change.

Relies on the assumption that everything started in an uncorrelated state. That is not necessarily true. That might turn out to be true or false, but as sure as small apples, I am not going to give up and hang my hat on some capricious crank of a god until the evidence rolls in.

Ah. Have only ever seen the Second Law applied to earth, incorrectly it seems. My understanding is that the earth is an open system, as we get our energy from the sun.

As for the Big Bang;  you're saying we don't really know? Good enough for me.. I'll happily  accept 'we don't know, with 'yet' being implicit  rather than "god /aliens did it "

Does that mean I believe men over god?  Certainly not!  I'll believe whatever, let's just say a  Christian God, has to say about anything and everything---the instant some one proves to me he/she/it exists.

It's not god I doubt, [ once his existence has been established] but the standard of believers he seems to attract.

A problem is that apologist argue as if 'god ' is a given. Well, ain't for me, and I suspect for anyone calling themselves an atheist, by definition.  There  always seem to be exceptions; I once ran across a man on a forum who claimed to be both Hindu and atheist.
Wonderful religion Hinduism, so inclusive. 

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On topic joke;

Catholic School, grade one; Nun asks "hands up all those who want to go to heaven"

Nun notices Billy has not raid his hand; "Why Billy, don't you want to go to heaven?"

Billy " Not if that bunch is going"

And" Heaven for the climate, hell for the company" (Mark Twain)