Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

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To your point about gas, that is laughably illogical. Let me break down what you highlighted.
1. We want people to stop using gas so let's tax it.
2. We don't want to upset people so let's do it gradually so it's normative
If one is a goal, then you do want to upset people. If the goal of one is to get people to accept a tax to make a pile of money from their crimes against the planet then proceed.

It doesn't work, as was proven by the yellow vests.
Taxes must be increased slowly so as to discourage people when they decide to buy a new vehicle.
The problem of this is that vehicles have a lifetime that is usually more than one decade, so you can't penalize (too much) those who didn't know about these price increases when they purchased their cars.

Really protests and lighting things on fire don't work to change policy? I wouldn't have ever guessed that. </sarcasm> It's exactly my point. Lining companies pockets by taxation slowly doesn't work, and neither does rioting, burning things and hurting people because of a steep increase in price.

Taxes must be increased slowly to prevent riots is your actual point. The fact is taxes don't HAVE to be increased at all. It's not proven that throwing more money at something stops people from getting that thing, much less it's effect on where that money goes. What has been shown repeatedly is that taxing commodities benefits the rich. Benefits to the rich increase the likelihood of lobbyists for policies that continue to make them rich. By taxing gas, slowly or steeply, it just hurts the less wealthy and benefits the wealthy, and probably exacerbates the initial problem. Taxes on commodities hurt the populous, fines and regulation hinder companies. Not that there isn't some bleed over but generally doesn't that hold true?

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I don't think climate change matters nearly as much as 2 dozen other things that would bring people together for a common good and better society as a whole (and even move us closer to a climate solution). I've reviewed the video and I'm not an expert in climate and it's not a particular interesting field for me either. To think that Humans have no detrimental cumulative affect on their environment though is easily dismissed by modern simple observation of human behavior. They may have mis-categorized some influences and numbers, it doesn't help with a solution. BTW @Drich , could you please stop quoting entire walls of text withoout hiding them, especially if you're going to follow with an all caps "you're stupid" rant, it gets really tiresome on the eyes.

The whole weather change issue based on human activity is based on one flawed and poorly understood foundation. In that all models are based on a constant heat source. meaning the sun always stay with in a predictable range meaning we receive the same units of energy from the sun from the end of the last ice age to where we are now. This is the only way to properly say that human activity is only variable that spawned climate change.

The problem with that is the sun is on a solar cycle where out put ranged from like 20 units of solar energy to 130 units then the sun is not stationary it has a small orbit and out earth's orbit is not true/cicular it is more like a hula hoop going around the sun. so when the sun is at max out put and out orbits bring us closer together we have a blazing hot year not only that the earth is in a slow north to south tumble meaning the north and south poles stay the same but on the surface they migrate meaning our magnetic shield there is a thinning or bald spot and that weakness in our planetary hair line is also migrating south allowing more of the sun's energy in.

So why the rapid up tick? because the ice is melting and the faster it melts the more energy is retained on earth rather than reflected. why does the ice melt? because again the sun can 'bring the heat' when we are in alignment.

Again my point here is not to say which is correct but point to the faith that it takes to follow the 25 year old al gore the sky is falling climate change, verse what i posted above that has 500 years of man's meteorological knowledge and solar observation coming together to explain everything we know. This is the same amount of faith God requires to establish and maintain a presence or relationship.

Concerning MY wall of text.. it was a little short sighted of you to summarize my response as calling someone a name to answer a wall of text.. Why? because the wall of text was my own words. My opponent took hours worth of research and effort seemingly did not read any of it, and then tried to create a strawman from it and take the discussion in a different direction. if scrolling down on your mouse wheel is truly so much bother to you, imagine how much more bother you would be if that were your wall of research and writing and it be summed us by you calling someone stupid.

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Paying taxes on pollution is a way to discourage pollution.

But there is another way: regulation.
Some cities in Europe are now no-go zones for highly polluting cars.
Until 2030, diesel cars will be all but banned, while internal combustion engine (ICE) cars will be prohibited from entering the cities.
At the same time, France has decreed that, after 2030, no new cars with an ICE can be sold, while the UK has postponed it to 2040. Most of Europe will come along shortly.
Will the US come on the tail?... it shouldn't. You guys have Tesla and a bunch of other manufacturers working on EVs and on advancing battery and charging technologies. You guys have everything, but the willpower to do what's right.

omg..

Where does electricity come from sport?

Hint it is not sourced from the plug in the wall at your house.

Do you know How energy is produced? 

Do you know how taxed the electrical grid is durning very hot summer months?

Do you know what they have to do to make more electricity to cover demand?
(they fire up another coal or natural gas generator durning the peak hours of the day and then back off at night/creates alots of heat)

Do you know what happenes when all generators are running and it can not meet demand?
(rolling black outs)

They are not common in this country but are fairly common in other countries to the point WHOLE countries (Italy spain greece ect) populations take vacation in the same month of august to as to take the majority of industry and commercial use off the grid so they can run power for the extra ac use in the summer.

Meaning your earth (electrical cars) saving idea put every single wheeled vehicle on the planet plugged from about 6 pm to 6 am.. now that super demand that was a summer time only deal becomes a daily or nightly problem, as plugging in a 300 range mile car is not like plugging in a cell phone. it will need between 230 to 460 volts @ 30 to 50 amps. Or if you cant afford a tesla you plug in at night and while you are at work now adding to the energy drain durning the day..

Meaning at the small end of the global impact scale we are running our electrical grids at peek power 24/7 what really is needed is more coal and natural gas plants which will quickly off set any planetary carbon costs that cars put out, as these plants put out tons of exhaust an hour 24 hours aday, then to run them at max effort or add 20% more plants that inturn also have to run max out put.. Do you understand the implication of that last fact? We can not sustain current power needs without shutting down a portion of the planet now.. what happenes when you plug in 10 billion cars and industrial trucks into the grid? 


The truth to all of this is a simple one. it is to walk away from middle east oil. the problem with that? will be a humanitarian one. something the west will be blamed for and perhaps be held accountable to fix. in that if e go electric the only produce the middle east would be able to produce are burkas and war. meaning billions starve with out the world wide addiction to their oil. No one wants to look at this move as a way of starving and killing off millions of people rather you want to see yourselves as heros saving the planet from a sky that is falling unless we buy electric cars.

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I wasn't calling you stupid. To deny that humans have had historically no negative impact impact on their environment is a stupid stance to take. That has been the overall flavor of your posts. If you are arguing that the numbers are not accurately representative and there are better solutions when those are factored in, then make that point. I also commented on your wall of text because there is a forum rule on quoting large posts as well as it's improper netiquette to quote large posts or re quote videos, etc as per the forum netiquette guide located here : https://atheistforums.org/thread-3469.html . Just making you aware because it seems to be a habit of yours. I'm sure the effort to respond to the opponents every point is appreciated in your discourse, it's simply your delivery that might make people prone to not read it. See my quote of you for an example.