Beto using the right tactic.

[Brian37]

I'm not telling you that the dumpster fire in chief -isn't- running game on his constituency, ofc he is.  I honestly doubt that there's a GOP anymore, personally, the party of trump shivved it.  Still..yeah, they'll continue to do what's been working for them. On the other side of that coin, however, is that if the american left is interested in appealing to "all americans" rather than simply mouthing those words in an attempt to manufacture the appearance...then they, and you, are going to have to come to grips with exactly who you're appealing to, and how you're doing to have to do it.

I think that it's a bad idea, to use the example I offered before, to appeal to white supremacy in order to avoid fascism, but if the left wants to do that then it should do it out in the open.  You should understand that this is what you're going to have to do whether you like it or not.  So, for an example.  Beto used to talk about tearing down these walls...but that's tapered off, and he lost, so I'd expect to hear even less of it than before as he runs for a higher office and has to appeal to WALL fetishists.  

Alot of people will see that as somehow being inauthentic, pandering to polling...but what do we expect a genuine "appeal to all americans" to look like if -not- for that?

You might try taking those blinders off, for one. There's no such thing as appealing to all Americans, and trying to specifically appeal to a set of winning demographics is inherently pandering.

Being honest about the issues is a good place to start, and your constant blather about white supremacists isn't honest. I have never seen a guy more determined to piss off working class white people than you. You want to brand them all as white supremacists, and when that pisses people off you claim that this proves that they are white supremacists. A huge part of the left is working class whites, and you are trying to alienate them all. It's enough to make me think that you are a poe who is really a Republican trying trying to alienate working class white people from the left. This isn't a very politically active forum, so maybe you just practice your bullshit here.

I don't want to vote for a person who just says things for demographic appeal. I want the party to shift to the left, and a New Dem isn't going to shift the party to the left no matter what they are willing to say to win an election. The New Dems are inherently Reagan Democrats with a few socially liberal positions mixed in for broader appeal. They are going to be Reagan Democrats no matter what.  I am not going to vote for one of them, no matter what.

Considering the amount of posts you have made flipping out over me not leaning to Bernie this time, please don't lecture me on blinders.

The problem back then, and once again today, WAS NEVER BERNIE, but supporters like you.

Not going to play this game with you.

And as far as democratic appeal, THAT IS EXACTLY how primaries are won, and how general elections are won. REGARDLESS OF PARTY.

Running for office is ALL ABOUT convincing enough voters to put you over the finish line.

The orange asshole burned his way through the primaries, insulted his way through the primaries, and unfortunately won on his sell of fear and bigotry based on white anxiety.  But the one thing the GOP has been consistent with over decades, IS UNITY. So despite how shitty Trump treated Jeb and Cruz and Carly, they all united in the General. 

Again, I am going to vote for whom I want during the primaries. And vote for whomever we nominate in the general.

This isn't a purity test for me. It is about the direction America will go if we win, even if not perfect. And also about what direction we will go if we lose and give the orange asshole 8 years and control over the Supreme Court.

There is too much at stake to play this game.