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The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
(March 17, 2019 at 9:40 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(March 15, 2019 at 10:08 am)Drich Wrote: AGAIN (dumb ass) early Hebrews where not known as Hebrews.. the where Egyptians citizens. They did not become a nation till 40 years after the exodus.
So I ask again looking at history without your jew colored glasses on, what prevents the egyptians who would eventually become the jewish people who live and are counted as the majority from bring their God to egypt and having it be the source of monotheism?
 

that's bull shite.. there where three major dynasties/kingdoms of egypt. The ld kingdom the middle kingdom and the new kingdom, after each kingdom there was a mass exodus where egyptian soceities and cities where abandoned for centuries. where nomads and bandits ruled the lands, until they where united again under the next kingdom. The second kingdom saw a mass migration of the semetic people of the northern delta. This migration is consistent with scripture. It's a long movie but it give a ton of real info sourcing digs that where happening at the time of the movie and continue on today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-x55kIgheA

Peppering a book of mythology after the fact with real places and real people is writing backwards in time.

There IS NO evidence of Jews ever being slaves under the Pharaohs as the bible claims. Just like the OT never uses the letters that spell Jesus. Josephus does not count as a first hand account. 

And there was never a worldwide global flood either. 

But most importantly, there is no such thing as a magic man with super natural powers. 

It is just simply another book of mythology.
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 As it turns out, there is recent archaeological evidence which seems to show that there were no enslaved Hebrews/Canaanites,(at least in any numbers) no Exodus, and by extension, no Moses.

There is also strong evidence to  show the Hebrews remained polytheists  for centuries after the alleged Exodus.. This evidence is in the form of hundreds of statues of a goddess  in Israel dating  to 300 bce. Monotheism may have been the official state religion, but if so, it was ignored by the ordinary people.

The book is called 'The Bible Unearthed' and I recommend it to anyone with the capacity for abstract thought and an IQ above ambient room temperature, who has has a reasonably open mind. I think the contents of the book are compelling.

A brief explanation below. The full Wiki article is worth reading. The full book, more so. I have a copy in Ebook form, I forget how much. That I bought it indicates that it must have been cheap, because I'm a tight arse. .  Cool


The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Siberman

Methodology
The methodology applied by the authors is historical criticism with an emphasis on archaeology. Writing in the website of "The Bible and Interpretation", the authors describe their approach as one "in which the Bible is one of the most important artifacts and cultural achievements [but] not the unquestioned narrative framework into which every archaeological find must be fit." Their main contention is that:[1]

...an archaeological analysis of the patriarchal, conquest, judges, and United Monarchy narratives [shows] that while there is no compelling archaeological evidence for any of them, there is clear archaeological evidence that places the stories themselves in a late 7th-century BCE context.

On the basis of this evidence they propose

... an archaeological reconstruction of the distinct histories of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, highlighting the largely neglected history of the Omride Dynasty and attempting to show how the influence of Assyrian imperialism in the region set in motion a chain of events that would eventually make the poorer, more remote, and more religiously conservative kingdom of Judah the belated center of the cultic and national hopes of all Israel.

As noted by a reviewer on Salon.com[2] the approach and conclusions of The Bible Unearthed are not particularly new. Ze'ev Herzog, professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv University, wrote a cover story for Haaretz in 1999 in which he reached similar conclusions following the same methodology; Herzog noted also that some of these findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades, even though they have only recently begun to make a dent in the awareness of the general public.[2]

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Ancestors and anachronisms
[Image: 220px-Egypt_1450_BC.svg.png]

Egypt in the 15th century BC, the time of the Exodus and the conquest of Canaan as described in the Book of Joshua according to the Biblical chronology. As the map indicates, Canaan was occupied by Egypt at that time, a fact which the Bible fails to register.
The Bible Unearthed begins by considering what it terms the 'preamble' of the Bible—the Book of Genesis—and its relationship to archaeological evidence for the context in which its narratives are set. Archaeological discoveries about society and culture in the ancient Near East lead the authors to point out a number of anachronisms, suggestive that the narratives were actually set down in the 9th–7th centuries:[6]
  • Aramaeans are frequently mentioned, but no ancient text mentions them until around 1100 BCE, and they only begin to dominate Israel's northern borders after the 9th century BCE.[7]
  • The text describes the early origin of the neighbouring kingdom of Edom, but Assyrian records show that Edom only came into existence after the conquest of the region by Assyria; before then it was without functioning kings, was not a distinct state, and archaeological evidence shows that the territory was only sparsely populated.[8]
  • The Joseph story refers to camel-based traders carrying gum, balm, and myrrh, which is unlikely prior to the first millennium, such activity only becoming common in the 8th–7th centuries BCE, when Assyrian hegemony enabled this Arabian trade to flourish into a major industry.[9] Recent excavations in the Timna Valley discovered what may be the earliest bones of domesticated camels found in Israel or even outside the Arabian peninsula, dating to around 930 BCE. This is seen as evidence that the stories of Abraham, Joseph, Jacob and Esau were written after this time.[10][11]
  • The land of Goshen has a name that comes from an Arabic group who dominated the Nile Delta only in the 6th and 5th centuries.[12]
  • The Egyptian Pharaoh is portrayed as fearing invasion from the east, even though Egypt's territory stretched to the northern parts of Canaan, with its main threat consequently being from the north, until the 7th century[13]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed
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The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Brian37 - March 6, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Drich - March 13, 2019 at 3:11 pm
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Brian37 - March 13, 2019 at 3:27 pm
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Drich - March 13, 2019 at 4:29 pm
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Drich - March 15, 2019 at 10:08 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Brian37 - March 17, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by fredd bear - March 19, 2019 at 4:23 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Brian37 - March 19, 2019 at 7:45 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Drich - March 19, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Drich - March 19, 2019 at 10:52 am
RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism. - by Brian37 - March 19, 2019 at 11:52 am

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