RE: Do electrons exist?
April 7, 2019 at 10:15 am
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 10:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 6, 2019 at 5:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(April 6, 2019 at 10:53 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Any entanglement caused by the proximity of a human being to some phenomena would just be another case of air coming out of a tire.
If you have something else in mind, create a term for it, and stop using the term "observer effect" to launder your misconceptions.
Let me be crystal clear.
I'm not saying whatever it is you think I'm gearing up to say, and neither was the guy in the video. Here it is again. The bit I was talking about starts at 9:15 with the punchline being at 9:50. If you are not willing to engage with the material I was talking about, then say something original enough to provide intellectual interest, or as usual I reserve the right not to respond to you.
Quote:I like the video I linked because it introduced a very interesting idea-- that the observer effect works supposedly "in retrospect" because we ourselves are entangled with the particles we are trying to experiment on. That's deep.The presenter is saying that observation may be entanglement, Benny, not the observer effect, neither of which have anything to do with the universe "watching us". The observer effect isn't something that works ("in retrospect" whatever you think that means..I assume you're using it to comment on how non-locality doesn't violate causality, and may not violate it when the effect is retroactive).
It's not a magic trick, lol- it's something that happens, when, again..... air pressure comes out of a tire as you try to measure it, for example. The observer effect "works" here not for quantum entanglement and not in any way retrospectively. The observer effect presents itself in qm experiments as the instrument effect. We can posit that the observer effect happens between two particles in isolation because the effects of all other interactions and entanglements are filtered out for the model - and, ultimately, this is the reason that qm explanations for classical effects are interesting, but not entirely operative when it comes to something the size of a human being or many of the things we observe. Too many particles interacting to form a sort of interactional stasis for the individual effect of one quantum this or that to present itself in isolation.
The entire universe is entangled. It's a cool video, and QM is neat, but..as usual when you get to talking about qm and how it causes you to choose idealism, it just doesn't mean what you think it does, and you're convinced that these misconceptions are "just semantics".
I'm, like, a choo choo train, man.....we're entangled...and qm demonstrates this. Any disagreement is just semantics.
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