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[Serious] Good vs Evil
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RE: Good vs Evil
(May 7, 2019 at 8:07 am)Chad32 Wrote: If a young child runs up to a group of people, and blows them up with a bomb, they're as much an innocent victim as the people they blow up. The evil ones are the adults who convinced a kid to carry an explosive, and detonate it. Granted, someone could be born a sociopath, and go the Michael Myers route, and get a kick out of causing pain, but those are some small odds.

Would I be able to shoot the kid? Maybe not. That's why my job doesn't entail holding a firearm, and making those kinds of decisions. It would likely be my last act in the armed forces if I absolutely had to pull the trigger.

you are speaking to a state of mind of the child. something you can not know, unless you look at history. you assume because children you know of that age are open books of blank sheets Child soldiers are like other children. Child soldiers are not atomotons blindly carrying out acts they can not understand the consenquences of... they have been trained to think and out maneuver their enemies. enemies who have been targeted since they could walk.

There is little to no difference between a child soldier and one who is of 'fighting age.' The civial war bore this out, the revolutionary war also bore this out. They fought bled and died just like their older counter parts, they faced death they faced hardship and pain, the same hardship and pain the veterans faced. Granted their jobs may have been different (drummer or fife player) but the drums where critical in fog of war communication. in essence they order the company or sometimes the battalion to fire a volley, free fire, advance bayonet charge or retreat. these 'boys' where given a monumental task of litterally pulling the trigger on hundreds of weapons just by playing the orders given. or f the messed up they could have cause the deaths of hundreds of their fellow soldiers. so to say a child soldier is like the ones you are familiar with is nuts.

Just look at some of the documentaries of the warring tribes currently in africa who employ child riflemen. some as young as 8. those kids are war harden monsters who could dispatch any of us before we knew it.

My point is evil know no age limitations. if their is consciousness evil can exist.

only the biggest fools wrapped up in their own self righteousness pretend evil can not exist. if people could just be honest with them selves they could label the men who train children to be combatants that put them in harms way or to be sacrificed as human bombs, if the self righteous could be honest they could see those men who do this sort of stuff as evil. But because the self righteous aligned themselves with evil inorder to invalidate God's righteous standards they can not identify anything evil as evil, which means they are only able to identify God's righteousness as evil.

Which is consistent with what the bible says about the last days. The evil men will change the standards of 'morality' and good will be come evil and evil will become good.

(May 7, 2019 at 11:44 am)Smaug Wrote:
(May 7, 2019 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: Know it or not you have described and subscribed to self righteousness. where you or the state/soceity sets an ever changing standard of right and wrong with no checks or balances in place. there are no limitations besides popular thought and time. given enough time everything will become permissible, or so say the societies whom already have fallen down this path.

It may be horrifying to some but it's basically the way it is. The society and its members set checks and balances. Among other things, that's why Germany ended up with National-Socialism in the 30's. Poverty + Populist propaganda made it happen.

Also while Goebbels was a horrible person not anything he said was objectively wrong. For example he was totally right about propaganda being able to corrupt and subdue an entire nation. Although priests had known about it waay before he was born Cool

only a nation without a absolute standard. 

Look at the 2016 election. look at all of the anti trump propaganda put out there heck look at how far (2+ years later) and just now we are putting things to bed. yet the nation was not subdued by propaganda because most of the voters adhere to the standard set fourth by the US constitution, and could still see clinton for what she was about and the changes she was promising to make to the judicial system and to the constitution. 

In this case the governmental standard saved trump's campaign as he vowed to maintain the standard as written while she vowed to change the standard to fit modern propaganda expectations

If 1930's germany had a strong standard or foundation that had been proven to see though and provide for the people and their needs Goebbels words like much modern fake news would have hit the wall with little to no effect.

The problem is with self righteousness you have abandoned any possible standard/rules that are static and do not change. you carry right and wrong along with popular thought. which makes pop morality a joke. as it by defination can not be a standard but a base line for pop values. And again every society who has elected pop morality over absolute standard has consumed it self and fallen to societies with absolutes and discipline in their guidelines. Look again at the last election if you do not believe me. the alt left fell to Trump of all people. The joke of reality tv took the presidency away from 1/2 a nation of self righteous/pop moral people in all of their best efforts despite having complete control and authority in almost every media outlet and news source along with pop celebrities. Despite the left having all that power and influence/goebbels type of influence) that half of the country fell to a clown 1/2 ass waving the absolute standard this country was founded on.

do you understand my point? the self righteous have a histroy of falling to the side who maintain standards.

Greece Rome Japan USSR ottoman empire even the great british empire is a shadow of it's former self. All great societies who drop their standards (good or evil) fall to those who maintain them. on a macro level as in reichs or countries or on smaller scales like presidential candidates or even down to the family unit themselves.



Messages In This Thread
Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 4, 2019 at 6:53 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 4, 2019 at 7:12 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by energizer bunny - May 5, 2019 at 2:04 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by madog - May 6, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 6, 2019 at 2:49 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 6, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 6, 2019 at 11:31 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 3:10 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 6, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 6, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 3:28 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 6, 2019 at 3:30 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 4:00 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 4:10 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 7, 2019 at 10:14 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 3:56 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by paulpablo - May 12, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 11:44 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 7, 2019 at 1:12 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Rhizomorph13 - May 6, 2019 at 10:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 7, 2019 at 9:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 7, 2019 at 8:07 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 7, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 8, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 9, 2019 at 9:13 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 9, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 10, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 3:09 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 8, 2019 at 10:36 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 8, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 9, 2019 at 8:59 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Silver - May 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 7, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Amarok - May 7, 2019 at 6:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 8, 2019 at 6:34 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 8, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Rhizomorph13 - May 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by AgnosAtheis - May 8, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 8, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Mister Agenda - May 10, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 10, 2019 at 4:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 11, 2019 at 9:24 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 12, 2019 at 3:43 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 11, 2019 at 8:48 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2019 at 6:46 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Angrboda - May 12, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - June 3, 2019 at 1:33 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by WinterHold - May 14, 2019 at 4:21 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 14, 2019 at 7:09 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 7:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 8:32 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 2:29 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by SlowCalculations - May 31, 2019 at 3:15 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Acrobat - May 31, 2019 at 6:13 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2019 at 1:57 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - June 10, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2019 at 11:11 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by SenseMaker007 - June 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Angrboda - June 21, 2019 at 4:03 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Lightbearer - March 8, 2021 at 4:16 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Valkyrie - March 8, 2021 at 4:33 am

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