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Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 10:34 am
I just saw a video of torture in Mexico.
It was an execution of a police officer (by beheading). and the flaying of his kid while alive.
The skinning was for the whole chest of the kid, and his life was ended with the stripping of his heart.
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The brutal intro serves a reason. It makes you feel what I feel after watching a video like this.
It makes ISIS jihadists look like pussies; TBH.
It also makes you question the campaigns led by many countries under the label of "fighting terrorism".
It asks a more realistic question: why the hell does these gangsters get to live peacfuly, while Muslims are doomed to be terrorists?
Ironic; but that is not my topic.
Why are some humans this evil?
Is it the obsessive, manic thought of greed? or is it the line humans cross when brutalized in their own time -brutalize and you create terrorists out of your victims'-.
This is a legacy of something so wrong with humanity: the average everyday person just don't care. Let's be honest: punish the people who corrupt the earth; and do it with everybody: starting with yourself.
Lack of belief is the reason behind this, but if somebody "believes too much"; it's as bad and as terrible. Remember the Christian Inquisitions?
I pray I don't meet such fate. But just like why I explained way back:
I'm not a terrorist because I fear a lord. Fear a day of judgement.
Once you drop fear about that day; either by non-believe or believing that hell would pass you; then you'll probably skin people alive...or fight "terrorism".
RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 10:45 am
I don't fear any of those things, yet I have never committed atrocities. Why is that?
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RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 10:54 am (This post was last modified: January 25, 2018 at 10:54 am by drfuzzy.)
Exactly what Cyber said. It's not a lack of fear of an imaginary friend and what it will do to you after you die.
Brutality is due to a lack of empathy and a lust for power.
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RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:00 am (This post was last modified: January 25, 2018 at 11:05 am by WinterHold.)
(January 25, 2018 at 10:45 am)Cyberman Wrote: I don't fear any of those things, yet I have never committed atrocities. Why is that?
To become an animal like that, you need to train yourself and train your mind to be so cruel.
Some people receive the training for free: fatcats take their money and leave them to rot and become more "stiff" as the time goes; not intentionally, but when corruption invades a place, lots go to poverty. Expose them through media and culture to violence; and there is your army of freaks.
All these torture methods originated in "heathen" societies -like the Aztec society-. Back when heathens dominated Europe; for example; fear of judgement day was non existing, and torture methods were so terrible. Christianity cured the playing with peoples' souls, but the heathen history left its imprint on the faith. That's why as torture receded in Arabia with the advent of Islam; it increased to terrible levels with the Crusades and the Inquisitions. And now; as Muslims turned away from their faith, torture came back to haunt the region.
You might oppose torture as a person; but still there are people like "Trump" who say "Torture Works". And they are leaders.
God gave you the heart to hate these acts. We are born with a compassion mechanism inside of us. It's your choice to enrich it or kill it.
(January 25, 2018 at 10:54 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Exactly what Cyber said. It's not a lack of fear of an imaginary friend and what it will do to you after you die.
Brutality is due to a lack of empathy and a lust for power.
I doubt that the gangster would do what he did if he feared hell, and that the same would happen to him.
RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:09 am
(January 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I just saw a video of torture in Mexico.
It was an execution of a police officer (by beheading). and the flaying of his kid while alive.
The skinning was for the whole chest of the kid, and his life was ended with the stripping of his heart.
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International law holds that freedom of expression is protected in all forums, including online i.e. based within the World Wide Web.
On July 5, 2012, the UN Human Rights Council passed a landmark resolution on the promotion, protection and enjoyment of human rights on the Internet. This resolution was supported by 82 States.
The brutal intro serves a reason. It makes you feel what I feel after watching a video like this.
It makes ISIS jihadists look like pussies; TBH.
It also makes you question the campaigns led by many countries under the label of "fighting terrorism".
It asks a more realistic question: why the hell does these gangsters get to live peacfuly, while Muslims are doomed to be terrorists?
Ironic; but that is not my topic.
Why are some humans this evil?
Is it the obsessive, manic thought of greed? or is it the line humans cross when brutalized in their own time -brutalize and you create terrorists out of your victims'-.
This is a legacy of something so wrong with humanity: the average everyday person just don't care. Let's be honest: punish the people who corrupt the earth; and do it with everybody: starting with yourself.
Lack of belief is the reason behind this, but if somebody "believes too much"; it's as bad and as terrible. Remember the Christian Inquisitions?
I pray I don't meet such fate. But just like why I explained way back:
I'm not a terrorist because I fear a lord. Fear a day of judgement.
Once you drop fear about that day; either by non-believe or believing that hell would pass you; then you'll probably skin people alive...or fight "terrorism".
Atlass33
The truth of reality is that human evolution WILL ALWAYS produce BOTH cruelty and compassion. Unfortunately the reality is BOTH can work in getting to the point of reproduction.
I don't say that to say humans should be fatalistic or default to inhuman brutality. I only say that as a reality. Just like we know hurricanes and volcanos and earthquakes can kill us too. Just like bacteria and cancer can kill us too.
Humans have always, and will always display acts of cruelty and compassion. The key to reducing harm isn't to chalk it up to old mythology, but to seek UNDERSTANDING of conditions that lead to that harm. Japan is severely earthquake prone, but at the same time their scientists are CONSTANTLY seeking better technology to make better building codes to reduce the effects of earthquakes on buildings.
BUT the same can be said with human behaviors, which is why fields like psychology, psychiatry, criminology and neurology help us understand how we as a species behave under certain conditions.
Crimes like rape, and child molesting for example, are not a result of a magic super villain screwing with the brain of the criminal. Those crimes are understood through decades of psychology, psychiatry and documenting interviews with BOTH the victim and criminals. That understanding has lead us to knowing that those acts are not about sex, but about power and control. In much the same way we know what conditions have the potential to lead to a hurricane.
Unfortunately religion, not just yours, but worldwide in all of our species history, makes very bad guesses as to why humans do what they do, good or bad.
Religion in all it's forms is a flawed perception which is a very bad gap answer as to why natural events happen.
"Natural" to the theist, is a very childish candy coated idea of "only good should happen".
"Natural" to an objective observer is merely reporting what they observe, good or bad. Natural ethics is when you report then based upon where the evidence takes you, you seek solutions to even the bad natural events, just like building codes in Japan are constantly challenged to improve the safety of the structure. Just like the flu virus is natural and BAD which is why we create new vaccines to reduce the harm the virus causes.
RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:10 am (This post was last modified: January 25, 2018 at 11:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 25, 2018 at 11:00 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I doubt that the gangster would do what he did if he feared hell, and that the same would happen to him.
Weren't you just saying something about the inquisition?
Meanwhile, the quran is torture porn, whomever wrote it was one sick puppy.....maybe that's why you think "fear of hell" should compel people?
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RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:15 am
They do it because they want to. Because it makes them feel powerful. Some people are just bad people.
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RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:21 am
(January 25, 2018 at 10:45 am)Cyberman Wrote: I don't fear any of those things, yet I have never committed atrocities. Why is that?
You probably fear losing what you have? You don't want to be killed, jailed, be taken away from your family. Lose your house. Car. Access to the forum. Or whatever else it is you value.
The cost of committing atrocities is also so high, that the idea of committing them is a non-starter even if you'd enjoy it.
Add onto that, we're taught from childhood 'doing bad things is bad.' And there's just no reason to question it. But if you remove those consequences, like with the super rich or super poor, or if you're in one of those places there are large benefits instead of consequences, then all of a sudden, people start going the other way.
If there weren't a lot of redundancies in the system, humans wouldn't have lasted as long as we have.
RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:23 am
(January 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I'm not a terrorist because I fear a lord. Fear a day of judgement.
That has to be one of the scariest shit someone can say.
I am not a teerorist because I want to foster a better world for everyone and by doing that fostering a better world for my descendants. I am not a terrorist because I know pain and I don't want others to feel it. I am not a terrorist because they are all cowards, pretending to be warriors. Most of them would run away before me, without bombs or machine guns.
That day of judgement will come. But in your lifetime. You aren't getting free without accounting.
RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 11:24 am
Most people do not do such acts and are repelled by them. This is true whether or not they believe in a deity.
This type of thing happens because of a love of power over another. And it can happen just as easily for theists as for non-theists. All the theists need is to be convinced the victim deserves their treatment because they don't believe in the 'right' doctrines and that their deity approves. It has happened many times in history and continues to today. Theism isn't a remedy to the lust for power and cruelty.
And this is a wonderful example of why morality has little to do with religion. if your religion told you this type of act was not just approved by God, but demanded of believers, would it suddenly become good? No. So the dictates of a deity are not a valid way of deciding morality.
