RE: Good vs Evil
May 12, 2019 at 3:43 am
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2019 at 4:10 am by Smaug.)
(May 11, 2019 at 9:24 pm)tackattack Wrote:Humans certainly did earn morality. I doubt that you'd argue that humans have quite the same moral behaviour as, say, lions or alligators. It wasn't from scratch of course - if you understood it that way then you got it wrong. Read my long post above. I don't feel like re-typing things over and over again.(May 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm)Smaug Wrote: What really disturbs me is Religion's constant claims for morality. Not only that moral behaviour existed before modern man but also to me morality is something humans earned at a very high price. Saying that God handed down moral principles is an insult against the memory of all those who fought, suffered and lost their lives so our society could become a better place.
Most people can intuit an absolute objective evil. Humans haven't earned morality, they've used it (justly and unjustly) for position and poorly structure the chaos around us into some form of stable society.
Let me ask you this, if dominance hierarchies existed long before there were trees in other species then dominance hierarchies in societies aren't man made. They could be an evolved trait, an emergent trait, inherited trait, evolutionary trait.. and many more reasons. What makes you think morality didn't exist before the creation of trees as well? What if these things we think, are human constructs are just our collective overall simplification for something long before we existed. As morality is an agent on consciousness, as we see it, and if morality existed axiomatically (as certain hierarchical structures and universal constants) why wouldn't there be an objective morality, at least to humanity, as a whole?
Speaking of people able to intuit 'absolute objective evil', this adds nothing to your arguement. Claims for objectivity have to be supported by logic and facts and not by appeal to masses. For many people blapshemy is an 'absolute objective evil' but it's neither objective nor even universal as clearly seen by this forums. And although there are deeds that are objectively harmful to the society and its members and are thus more or less universally regarded as evil this has nothing to do with Religion's claims for morality.
Regarding your second arguement, you have to specify what you mean under 'dominance hierarchies'. It is commonly understood as something that appears in collectives of social animals. In this respect it's meaningless to talk about 'dominance hierarchies' between the bodies of Solar system or in a Petri dish. Same goes for moral behaviour. For example, a stone does not have any behaviour at all, let alone moral one. Stating otherwise will be misuse of terms. Molecular interactions are not 'moral behaviour' although the latter is one of the results of the former.
Anyway, all this in no ways supports Religion's claims for morality.