The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence

[LadyForCamus]

I think that’s where my head is these days as far as philosophical positions go. It seems to me that there could never be nothing. That sentence itself is a logical contradiction. Even the word “nothingness” is an attempt to describe some thing. We try to hold a vague concept of “nothing” in our minds, but the second we attempt to use language to explain what nothing “is”, we’ve already defined it into existence. Anytime we use language like, “nothing instead of something” or “nothing is”, or, “if there was nothing”, we are talking, tacitly, about something. This is why I think that existence is necessary. I apologize in advance if none of that makes any sense, lol.

I suspect you're not going to like this but...

What you've said here is a traditional argument for a First Cause. 

As we discussed before, the Aristotelian First Cause isn't a cause in time like the Big Bang. It is what needs to be -- right now -- in order for other things to be. For anything else at all to be the case, we have to have existence. Therefore, existence is the First Cause. 

You have argued that there must be existence. That non-existence makes no sense. Since it is one of the main claims of traditional theology that God just IS existence, and that he is necessary because existence is necessary, you're not actually arguing against a First Cause (as described by Aristotle or Thomas). 

As always, to get from this Aristotelian First Cause to the God of the Bible or the Koran requires a lot more arguing.

Yes, as I recall, we were having what I thought was a fun and engaging conversation; I had offered you several counterpoints to what you speak of in your response above, and then you ditched me. 😛 Also, I have no reason to like or not like any conclusion that is grounded in sound reasoning and evidence. If a first cause can be persuasively argued for, and supported with evidence, then I’ll believe one exists. I have no agenda regarding atheism versus deism, versus theism, etc. If anything, theism would be. my preferred position. But, my personal feelings are irrelevant. The fact remains that a sound argument for a first cause is not also a sound argument for personal, conscious deity. That is the conclusion the OP is trying to reach with his cosmological argument. He can’t get there.