(July 14, 2019 at 12:52 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yes, as I recall, we were having what I thought was a fun and engaging conversation; I had offered you several counterpoints to what you speak of in your response above, and then you ditched me. 😛
That's funny, because in your last post there I got the sense you were done with it, and I didn't want to be annoying by keeping on. My mistake.
Quote: the fact remains that a first cause does not prove a personal, conscious deity. That is the conclusion the OP is trying to reach with his cosmological argument. He can’t get there soundly.
Yeah, it seems that nobody here ever gets to the point of arguing that the First Cause is conscious, or good, or any of the other things. I don't know if this is because they don't know how, or because we always chase them off by not accepting the first step, or what it is.
Maybe if we backed off a little, the OP would be willing to argue that stuff. Again, Aristotelians and Thomists think there are additional arguments, once the First Cause is demonstrated, to show also that it is conscious and good. I've never seen those discussed here.
I hope the OP is willing to ignore the insult-only people, and have patience with those who are more open-minded.
