The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence

[LadyForCamus]

Yes, as I recall, we were having what I thought was a fun and engaging conversation; I had offered you several counterpoints to what you speak of in your response above, and then you ditched me. 😛  

That's funny, because in your last post there I got the sense you were done with it, and I didn't want to be annoying by keeping on. My mistake.

No problem! Anyone willing to engage with me honestly and thoughtfully will never be an annoyance, even if we hold antithetical beliefs on a particular subject.

 the fact remains that a first cause does not prove a personal, conscious deity. That is the conclusion the OP is trying to reach with his cosmological argument. He can’t get there soundly.

Yeah, it seems that nobody here ever gets to the point of arguing that the First Cause is conscious, or good, or any of the other things. I don't know if this is because they don't know how, or because we always chase them off by not accepting the first step, or what it is.

. I have no problem accepting a first cause for the sake of the argument, in order to see where they can get to from there. But, in my experience, most theists try to bridge that gap with scripture, and that just isn’t going to be enough for most rational skeptics

Maybe if we backed off a little, the OP would be willing to argue that stuff. Again, Aristotelians and Thomists think there are additional arguments, once the First Cause is demonstrated, to show also that it is conscious and good. I've never seen those discussed here.

I would enjoy seeing a demonstration of those here. I wish we had more theist participation on the forums. I‘m not a huge fan of circle jerks. They aren’t very good exercise for the brain. 😛