RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
July 15, 2019 at 8:18 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2019 at 8:19 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(July 15, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(July 15, 2019 at 5:25 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: But it's a trick. It's not an argument for "first" anything. It's an argument for a cause, not "first" cause.
Proximate cause .... ie "nearest cause", not first cause.
An omnipotent deity (in their world) could create any number of levels of universe makers, and one of them could be (in their logic) the cause of the universe.
In fact, this same deity could have created robotic universe creators who are sitting somewhere playing "evil universe" .... how many children can we give cancer to, today ?
The First Cause argument is specifically an argument that one cause has to be first.
Of course there are nutty or insincere people who will make up whatever they feel like. And not just among the religious.
There are also sincere people who work on what they think is good logic. You can disagree with the conclusions of their argument, but it's not fair to say they're just being tricky.
No. The argument (sneaks) in "first". They jump (without justification in any way) from "all things need a cause" to the PRESUMPTION, hoping you will not catch it, that they can just pop over to "first". There is no foundation laid in the argument for "first". It is NOT what you claim it is. That's simply because you bought the hype. It is NOT that one cause HAS to be first. It's simply that the all things need a cause. They do not ever justify or lay a foundation for "first". It is a totally faulty argument, and they use it, hoping you will not notice there is no foundation laid for it, ... as it stands. It's totally "tricky" ..... also "tricky because normally it's used these days by fundamentalists with reference to the Big Bang. The Big Bang Theory in no way says it's a "beginning". Yes. It's DISHONEST, and very tricky.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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