The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence

[Bucky Ball]

(because even many atheists can accept that such a first cause, as you describe it, is logical).

Thank you, this makes me happy. 

As you say, the additional arguments necessary to get to the Christian God aren't often explained to us. Neither Christians nor atheists are much aware of these any more. 

We also have to be careful when we talk about "what Christians believe." Ken Ham and the pope believe such different things that they are practically different religions. 

I wish that someone who had studied these things seriously were posting here. For me to get the books and read them with the necessary attention takes a lot of effort, and I have other things going on. It's just that these are not easy arguments, and both Christians and the people who oppose them are seldom willing to do the work.

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Yes. It's DISHONEST, and very tricky.

To say that the people who have agreed with this argument are dishonest, you would have to know the private thoughts of thousands and thousand of people, most of whom are now dead. 

I don't believe you can do that. 

They may well have been wrong, but I don't think we're justified in declaring them dishonest or tricky. 

If you have arguments for why you disagree, rather than just pronouncements about your conclusions, I'll read them.

I already gave them. You just don't like them. They are perfectly obvious, and they are true, whether you agree or not. There is NOTHING about "First Cause" in the argument. It's simply "cause". You are not the "master philosopher overseer" here, despite your arrogant patronizing posts. I do not need anything approved or agreed-to by you. I don't give a shit what you read or don't read. Stop patronizing me. Fuckwad.