RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
July 16, 2019 at 11:04 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2019 at 11:18 am by LadyForCamus.)
(July 16, 2019 at 7:40 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:(July 15, 2019 at 10:42 pm)Belaqua Wrote: If we use the vocabulary that LadyforCamus suggests, I think it's clear why there has to be a first in the chain of essential causes.
She suggests that the brute fact that things is exist is where we begin. I think that's a reasonable way to formulate the argument.
Now, could there be anything prior to the brute fact that things exist? Is there something that could provide a foundation to the brute fact that things exist? I don't think so, because that thing would have to exist. So we'd have an existing thing resting as the foundation that things exist. And I don't think that makes sense. To make this work, you'd have to posit some kind of supernatural non-existent thing, and nobody here is fond of supernatural explanations.
So I think it makes sense to talk about a first cause, in this sense.
I disagree. Along with existence is non-existence.
Can you describe non-existence to me without actually describing some thing?
Quote:Reality is more complex than "existence", (or could be).
You’re going to have to elaborate on that, and provide some evidential and/or logical support.
Quote:Where did non-existence come from.
This sentence is self-refuting. If non-existence, or ‘no things at all’ was a thing that came from somewhere, then it’s something, not nothing.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.