RE: A timeless being cannot create
July 17, 2019 at 4:16 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2019 at 4:18 pm by mcc1789.)
(July 17, 2019 at 4:27 am)Belaqua Wrote:(July 17, 2019 at 12:55 am)mcc1789 Wrote: A creation involves a change in space and time.
I wonder if this is so...
If there is no space and time yet, then there can be no change in space and time. So creation doesn't change space and time -- it makes space and time.
I don't think it makes sense to imagine a big blank space hanging around in time waiting for creation, and then changing. There was no blank space and no hanging-around time.
mcc1789, I don't know if you want to put in a lot of time on this. I wouldn't blame you if you didn't. But all these questions have been worked on for a long time, and there are very involved and careful answers. You can be sure all the obvious questions ["if everything has a cause, then what caused god?"] have serious answers, though surprisingly few people have bothered to look into them. I think you'll find in fact that a lot of people prefer to mock the whole issue rather than learn anything at all.
If you go to this site and start clicking links, it will give a taste of how careful explanations have been offered.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1044.htm#article1
I am NOT saying they are right or wrong. Nor am I saying that I understand much of it.
That is the issue though. How can creation occur with no space or time?
I'm aware this isn't the first time the question here has been raised or addressed. Doubtless not all possible answers have been made known to me. However, answers like those of Aquinas have great difficulty I think. Moreover, a lot of times I'm unclear on what he's saying at all (like here). This specific answer also doesn't seem related to what I'm talking about here either (so far as I can tell).
