RE: A timeless being cannot create
July 17, 2019 at 4:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2019 at 5:02 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(July 17, 2019 at 3:57 pm)comet Wrote:(July 17, 2019 at 12:55 am)mcc1789 Wrote: I think there's a logical argument to be made against God's existence here on the basis of incompatible properties. God is outside time, we're told. He's not only eternal (existing forever) but also unaffected by temporal changes. He is after all the creator too, and that includes time. Yet when something is created, it comes into being. That entails a previous instance where it didn't exist of course. Yet if time itself was created, that makes no sense. To speak of a time "before" time is meaningless. Moreover, how does a timeless being create while outside time (and space as well)? A creation involves a change in space and time. It's enough to see how this could be done by a lesser being. How though could it be with a timeless being? I suggest it's incoherent, and the very fact that things do exist shows that such a being (i.e. God) doesn't. What do you think?
justify not believing any way ya want.
from an engineering perspective it seems more likely they have some properties of their god correct and some properties not so much.
Yes. They got god’s existence wrong, but his power of salvation right.
Which engineering school did you attend?
(July 17, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: A very serious summary of the very serious answer to that very serious question, is that the faithful contend that everything has to stick to the rules, except their god.
Their god is so pathetic that even when free from any rule that they insist applies to anyone else, as well as any other conceivable ones which anyone with even the most minimum interest in actually knowing whether a treasured belief has validity or not might use to inform that interest, they still can’t get their god to win except through their own assertions.
