RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
July 22, 2019 at 1:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2019 at 1:59 pm by comet.)
(July 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)polymath257 Wrote:(July 20, 2019 at 5:28 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: polymath257 Wrote:
So then, in a exothermic chemical reaction, the heat energy that is released is made of "quantum particles" (?)
The heat is the random motion of the molecules, which are all made of quantum particles.
(July 20, 2019 at 12:33 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Not sure if you're asking me.
Heat energy is the movement of particles, not the particles themselves.
So the idea that "everything there is" is quantum particles cannot be true.
Everything there is is a property of such particles. The motion is a property.
(July 21, 2019 at 7:23 am)comet Wrote: They don't know what energy is. They know how to use the notion but not what it is. Just Like they don't know what gravity is but can use it. I I think its better stated the movement of particles is the indication of "heat energy". Its Like seeing if its windy outside by looking out the window. The movement isn't the wind.What do you even mean when asking what something 'is'? Isn't knowing 'how to use it', meaning when and where to find it, when it shows up, and how it acts, aren't these *precisely* what it means to know 'what something is'?
Maybe change that to "everything we know is based on quantum particles."? If space/time itself is quantized then everything being based on quantized is correct.
You can equally well say we don't know what momentum is, or what spin is, or what charge is. Well, we seem to know enough to use these and describe in exquisite detail how these things operate.
I think asking anything past that is metaphysical BS.
thats it then. its bs to you. Before they knew what the atom was made up of it was metaphysical BS to you. To me it is not BS, its learning.
and no, knowing how to predict the out come is totally different than knowing where it comes and what it is. My wife knows a car and how they behave. she doesn't have clue to the parts that make it up.
maybe it might be better for us to put it in those terms for you. We don't know what the pieces are that make up energy (if there are pieces that is), or the fabric of space/time or gravity.
(July 22, 2019 at 12:16 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(July 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)polymath257 Wrote: The heat is the random motion of the molecules, which are all made of quantum particles.Actually it's not "random". The relative motions may be "random" but the temperature they are generally at, is not "random". They are either hotter or colder than another group of them. The energy of them can be determined. That is not "random".
Saying they are all quantum particles does not really do it.
Important characteristics of an atom, (which determines it's behavior) are above the quantum level.
this is actually way short of understanding. the quantum behavior of space/time determines exactly how the atom behaves. What you are talking about is how we can ignore the underlining quantum effects to do "chemistry" at our level. In most cases. But the discoveries we have made, ie materials and other technologies, are based precisely on quantum affects and relativity.
valance shell electrons, our everyday chemistry, only works in the quantum world.
I am so not sure why you are dismissing the fact that the standard model is based on quantum particles? what the problem for you? they are just the facts of the standard model?
why is that?
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
