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So what happened?
RE: So what happened?
(July 24, 2019 at 4:27 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: We didn't come looking for you.  You came here, supposedly to enlighten us with your vast knowledge of God.  How's that been working out for you?
Actually I come here for your questions as all of mine have been answered. by helping you all with your questions the more I get to learn about God, or the more refined my answers get.

as for helping me it does wonders as you all when you can stay on topic help me better refine a answer for those who are indeed looking for the truth. Right now I am still compiling information and putting into a series of q&A scripts.
Quote:The only ass you may have been handed or handled is your own.
teeth.. I kick in teeth.
Not much on handling other peoples asses.

Quote:You do know that anyone can change the information on Wikipedia, right?  It's about as reliable as your good book.
know know not anyone can change the information Source material on wikipedia right?

Wiki is a research tool smarty.. yes there are descriptions definitions and a summary but that is all tertiary material.. it commentary. wiki value is in the reference material that most of you ignore. Those are primary and secondary sources to which no one can alter. if you did not know primary and secondary materials trump any tertiary material or commentaries.

That is what is wrong with most of you. everything is either good or bad. you can not see the value in anything labeled bad and you can not see the faults in anything labeled good. This is the foundational mindset of a racist.. do you see the point yet? you stop reading at the word racists and starte gearing up a defence because racist bad m'kay racist is bad. so me not have to think any more.

like wise you see wiki.. wiki not good meaning everything wiki bad.

Here's the thing. I like wiki put my own ideas or interpretation out there, and like it or not it is a tertiary compilation of established sourced material. meaning I am not just speaking from a vacuum. I have several sources to back what I say up. because you have too when everyone challenges everything you think say or do. simply because it is a little different than what the rank in file are taught to think and believe. So even if you do not like my summary there is always a source you have to contend with and can not just dismiss me as so many of you try and do by ignoring the evidence and scientific facts i bring to the discussion..

(July 24, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Just proving a point to Drich with this.  Not that I expect him to understand.

I get just want you to tie everything together.. other wise this is no different than doing search of every single post I have done at AF.org and say these are your errors.. Math has already beat you to that punch line, so I challenge you to see if you can compile a list of times where what I said was proven topically wrong from what you posted..

Note sport you only posted my topical responses you did not show one person showing me conclusively where and how I am wrong.

(July 24, 2019 at 6:27 pm)Amarok Wrote:
Quote:I found a energy source to run a machine indefinitely/1000 years past the point any sentient being presence on the planet to point out it did not indeed run forever.
Lol the fact the earth is not eternal 
hey dumb ass, the definition of perpetual motion is not an eternally  functioning machine.. that is you small closed minded definition. that is not the real definition

This is the real definition:
per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
"the planet is in perpetual motion"
the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
"the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"

Do you see the embolden bit? would run forever UNLESS wear, means natural parts failure like say the planet dying.. The definition allows one of the machines main components failure causing the machine to stop, The definition still considers it a perpetual motion machine. 


Quote:By the time you can not drill a hole deep enough for this to work, everything n the surface will be long dead.
Quote:No one needs to be there to know the earth will not last forever 
what does failure due to wear and tear mean? what does that allow?
Again if you do not know if a component fails due to old age and brings the machine to a halt... by that definition it is still a perpetual motion machine.


Quote:So summed up this rant fails

Quote:because i just came up with it when challenged
Yes you did delude yourself just now . In defiance of every single thing we know .
It fails only because your definition of perpetual motion demands the machine run forever. in real life the understanding of one of these machines includes maintenance. If the core fails, life on the planet stops, and if all life stop there is no one to maintain the machine and eventually it too will fail/stop. But again the definition allow for this type of stop or failure. So by the real world definition the 'rant' stands. again it only fails when you make the rules. and you don't. so...
I'm kinda still the only one right here.

Quote:I also came up with a way to reconcile all of evolutionary theory with a literal 7 day creation without changing a word in either narrative, and have not cashed in here either.
No you didn't
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actually I didn't, God gave it to me in flashes out of sequence.. the whole process took about 15 mins. much like this perpetual motion thing took 2 mins and none of you can break that idea either..

(July 24, 2019 at 6:55 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(July 24, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Drich Wrote: and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.


Ahhhh,  I got it!    Great


A perpetual motion machine is a machine so poorly designed, so shabbily constructed, and so sloppily maintained that it is guaranteed to break down before its energy source runs out!


Well, Drich, have I got a lot of perpetual motion machines for you!

you have no idea what you are even talking about. there is no design there is no construction there is no maintenance. there is only conjecture and the potential for this machine to last the duration as we can sustain life on the planet and perhaps several millennia after man has all died out. Wehave not discussed building material pipe joints or joining material turbine or energy conversion or anything. I simply point out if we used a closed loop system there would be no "fuel" and this power station could run fitting the definition of a perpetual motion machine. I gave a couple ideas on how coolant could be used instead of water tapping into more heat but at the same time taking less heat from the hole. via a heat exchanger rather than pumping water down. it would now be in a closed look system..

The only thing you understand...  this this conversation is way way over your head and you still want to contribute despite looking like a fool doing so.
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