RE: So what happened?
July 27, 2019 at 3:52 am
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2019 at 4:09 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(July 25, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Drich Wrote: identified my issue and why my machne will not work as a perpetual motion machine...
So we were right to begin with then that it is not a perpetual motion machine!
(July 25, 2019 at 1:23 pm)Drich Wrote:(July 25, 2019 at 1:13 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Drich, how is your geothermal perpetual motion machine different from the geothermal systems currently being used around the world?
not dependant of thin parts of the or hot spots on the planet. One you can put this anywhere as the hole I am referencing is in the cold tundra of russia. no where near a geothermal vent.
2 Mine is a closed loop system. as already discussed the geothermal site in Ca is an open loop system meaning they capture the steam the steam is forced through a generator turbine and released into the atmosphere. Min again works like a nuclear power plant via cartoon number 2 I recently shared with you again. meaning we recapture all steam/coolant condens it and reuse it again.
This will prevent the problem ca had when their power plants began to loose capacity. it wasn't because the hole was cooling off like so many of you 'good people' seem to think it was because they where running out of natural spring water because there is an open loop which vents the steam to atmosphere. which again we would recapture condense back to water and pump back down to the heat exchanger creating steam again.
So you are moving energy from under the ground and releasing it above ground by pumping down cold water, turning it to steam and then condensing it back to cold water above surface.
Yeah, we all knew this was what you were proposing and we argued that it was not a perpetual motion machine, you disagreed and then eventually agreed.
Congratulations, you have taken a first small step into a larger world of correcting yourself by listening to other people. You may one day beat your Dunning Kruger syndrome!
So what exactly are you arguing about now? Just a mere implementation detail about it being a closed loop system and going to the effort of dispersing the heat versus pumping in fresh waster from a stream and exporting that heat down the stream.
Sounds like your implementation will be unnecessarily bigger and more expensive for no real benefit.
You should learn about ERoEI (Energy returned on energy invested)
How much energy is required to build something and operate it compared to how much energy you expect to get out of it. It's cheaper to set up a system where you don't need to cool the steam and of don't need to drill down for miles because you have placed it on a thin part of the crust. It's why people didn't immediately start drilling for oil at the deepest part of the ocean for example. The cost of doing so is prohibitive if it's currently seeping out your ground.
Your proposed system is no different to other geothermal systems except you have made it less economically competitive to build and operate.