The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence

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And part of my point is that 'mechanism' is, in and of itself, a metaphysical position that has been shown to be wrong. Quantum mechanics has shown the mechanistic perspective to be wrong.

to me QM has done no such thing.  In fact, it shows that there is a mechanism because we can make predictions using it.    QM  shows that we do not understand the mechanism(s).  Not that there is none.  we made cells phones using QM so there is a "mechanism". I think Bell's theorem shows the universe may not know everything about the particle either.  That makes sense we think about it, but that doesn't mean there isn't mechanism.

Let's drill down a b, then. What do you mean by the term 'mechanism'? In what sense does QM provide a mechanism?

What QM does is allows the calculation of probabilities. When macroscopic samples are being dealt with, those probabilities have a small enough spread (standard distribution) to allow very precise calculation of overall behavior.

For example, to be a mechanism, is it required that there be little particles bouncing off each other? Or is a collection of rules for calculating probabilities enough? The first is clearly excluded by QM and the second is exactly how QM describes things. Does a mechanism have to be deterministic? If so, are you assuming determinism is true in spite of the contrary evidence?

It seems to me that the fact that we can build cell phones shows that we *do* understand how things work (mechanism or not). I'm still not clear what difference there is between that and knowing 'what something is'.

As for Bell's inequalities (and related results), QM perfectly describes what is going on. There are correlations that travel at less than the speed of light. When a measurement happens, the correlation is revealed.