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The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 29, 2019 at 7:55 am)polymath257 Wrote:
(July 29, 2019 at 6:08 am)comet Wrote: to me QM has done no such thing.  In fact, it shows that there is a mechanism because we can make predictions using it.    QM  shows that we do not understand the mechanism(s).  Not that there is none.  we made cells phones using QM so there is a "mechanism". I think Bell's theorem shows the universe may not know everything about the particle either.  That makes sense we think about it, but that doesn't mean there isn't mechanism.

Let's drill down a b, then. What do you mean by the term 'mechanism'? In what sense does QM provide a mechanism?

What QM does is allows the calculation of probabilities. When macroscopic samples are being dealt with, those probabilities have a small enough spread (standard distribution) to allow very precise calculation of overall behavior.

For example, to be a mechanism, is it required that there be little particles bouncing off each other? Or is a collection of rules for calculating probabilities enough? The first is clearly excluded by QM and the second is exactly how QM describes things. Does a mechanism have to be deterministic? If so, are you assuming determinism is true in spite of the contrary evidence?

It seems to me that the fact that we can build cell phones shows that we *do* understand how things work (mechanism or not). I'm still not clear what difference there is between that and knowing 'what something is'.

As for Bell's inequalities (and related results), QM perfectly describes what is going on. There are correlations that travel at less than the speed of light. When a measurement happens, the correlation is revealed.

I didn't say QM provides a mechanism.  I said, to me, it shows that there is a mechanism for space/time at it fundamental level.  If anything, QM shows that we do not know what the mechanism is.  which we do not.

you seem to be saying, and please correct me if I am wrong, that there are no mechanisms.  I am saying that I think there are mechanisms.  All i am saying is that because we make predictions with QM that I think there is a mechanism to it.  we do not know what that mechanism is tho.

I don't agree with you about using QM and Gravity. Just because we can use it doesn't mean we know what it is. My wife has no idea 'what a car is", she only knows how to use it. the same thing goes for QM and gravity.

Lets clear that bit up first before we go to "something".  ok?
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Messages In This Thread
The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Nogba - July 13, 2019 at 6:52 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Cod - July 13, 2019 at 7:15 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Cod - July 13, 2019 at 7:27 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Cod - July 13, 2019 at 7:46 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Nogba - July 13, 2019 at 10:02 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Nogba - July 13, 2019 at 11:36 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Nogba - July 13, 2019 at 12:50 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - July 23, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - July 27, 2019 at 10:19 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - July 28, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - July 29, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Sal - July 29, 2019 at 10:33 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - August 2, 2019 at 6:34 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - August 2, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - July 17, 2019 at 10:59 am
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by Cod - July 21, 2019 at 4:36 pm
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence - by comet - August 2, 2019 at 11:44 am

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