RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 10, 2019 at 10:23 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2019 at 10:25 am by LadyForCamus.)
(August 10, 2019 at 12:42 am)Acrobat Wrote:(August 9, 2019 at 11:01 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: [auote]What I’m saying is that you, Acrobat, are the one who is making that determination. I agree with you that the holocaust, and torturing babies is immoral. I don’t agree with you that a god, and/or a ‘divine maximal good’ is necessary for me to make that moral judgement.
You’re the one that makes the determination as to whether something is true, whether you’re a real person, or a brain in vat, whether the earth is round, whether the holocaust happened.
You and I may agree that the holocaust is bad, but you and I don’t agree about the nature of good and bad, even without any notion of God.
You don’t think that the holocaust is bad is an objective truth, but the subjective whims of groups.
No, as I have clarified. Do bear with me as I catch up with regard to the relevant terminology here.
Quote: If a group of people can agree on a set of goals for that group, then we can say that certain actions are objectively good or bad, based on the pre-set goals for the group. If we decide that physical well-being is generally good for the majority of the group, then we can judge rape as objectively wrong with respect to that goal. That would be a moral fact.
Quote:If a group of people thought the holocaust was good, like the Nazis etc.. they would be wrong, just like if a group of people thought the earth is flat would be wrong.
The truth is independent of any groups opinion or subjective goals.
Yes, the truth that killing/torturing/raping someone is bad for their well being is independent of what anyone thinks. I think well-being is a good and moral goal for any group of people, because it is based on the fact that some actions are objectively bad for an individual’s well-being. No god necessary. Could there hypothetically be a group of people who’s societal goal is to rape and/or kill women and children? Sure. But that wouldn’t change the fact that raping and killing women and children is bad for their well-being. It would also be a pretty self-destructive goal for the group itself.
Quote:Subjective judgements don’t become objective because a group of people share them with you, they remain subjective.
I agree with you. I apologize if I didn’t communicate my thoughts clearly.
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