RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 13, 2019 at 2:44 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2019 at 2:47 pm by Acrobat.)
(August 13, 2019 at 2:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Non natural realists do too, numbskull.
Realism is very literally the idea that good and bad can be determined by reference to facts of a matter.
If you want to contend that there is no ethical truth in those facts of the matter of the holocaust, then fine.
You’re only insisting that realism is false. That it’s not an accurate description of the nature of morality.
Non natural realist, believe that moral properties exist, but that these properties are not reducible to natural facts.
Scientific and historical facts are all natural facts, so objective goodness doesn't lay somewhere among these natural facts, in the non-naturalist view.
(August 13, 2019 at 2:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: - and your problem is that you don’t know what realism means, Acro.....
...........so how are you qualified to opine on what others problems are in reference to realism?
What is your issue with saying what you believe? Honestly? Why call it something else? You believe that there is a supernatural subjective Good out there, and anyone in contradiction to it, or doesn’t accept its moral authority, is “wrong”.
To use your own words, loosely, against Jesus, in rebellion, in need of redemption.
The only “objectivity” in your moral system is that by reference to the standard of your beliefs, others are opposed or think that you’re full of shit, lol.
I did indicate what i believe, that I believe in a non-natural reality, akin to Plato's Form of the Good. And this is the belief I'm defending, primarily against atheists who subscribe to a natural moral realism,