RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 22, 2019 at 11:24 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2019 at 12:38 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God.
But here's the thing. We know that energy and matter exist. So, our scientific understanding of them is based on something real, tangible, demonstrable, testable, with elegant math that also supports their existence and attributes.
Your god has ZERO of the above. Your god has these 'intrinsic' attributes, because that's the way you define it.
I could define universe creating pixies with the intrinsic properties of not being able to be created or destroyed, and we are in the same position.
Quote:They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.
So, if there was never an occasion when there was nonexistence (does that even make sense?), then what need is there for a god?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
