God, Energy and Matter

[Lek]

I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing.  If energy and matter cannot be  created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God.  They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity.  Those are qualities are also given to God.  Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe?  If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.

If you wish to equate God with the universe, I shan't argue it.  If it makes you happy, I'll even suppose that it is true.

But I don't see how this brand of pantheism gets you to virgin birth, genital mutilation, talking snakes, Resurrection, redemption, eternal punishments, miracles, and all the rest of it.  There doesn't seem to be any logical, reasonable method by which this sort of pantheistic deism evolves into Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion.

Boru

Pantheism is a belief in God, which puts them in the camp with other believers.  Pantheists believe that God became the universe, therefore "creating" the universe.  Therefore they believe in a supernatural existence, which is in common with most other religions.  Not created, never dying energy fits certain qualities given to God.  

Of course, too, science can say that energy can't be created, but they have no idea of what the conditions were before the advent of time.  In other words, science can't make a true determination of whether or not energy can be created or destroyed outside of our closed system.  We can't depend on science for the ultimate truths.  I'm having people in the forum telling me that God isn't real and having only scientific evidence to support their remarks.