RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 22, 2019 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2019 at 4:50 pm by Lek.)
(August 22, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The pantheists that I know, including World Pantheism, do not define pantheism that way. They define it as the universe is god.
They do not believe in any supernatural realm or existence.
Quote:Why do they bother saying that the universe is god if they don't believe in the supernatural? Why not just say that the universe is the universe? Why bother getting into the whole god thing in the first place? There are also pantheists who believe as I describe.
Quote:What does it even mean for there to be "before the advent of time"? That sounds pretty incoherent.
I could have said "before the beginning of the universe." Some believe time began with the beginning of the universe.
Quote:What demonstrable and falsifiable evidence do you have for the contention, that there is an "outside to our closed system"?
The universe is expanding all the time. What is the space it's expanding into?
Quote:If you have another method, please enlighten us what it is. And more importantly, tell us how you know it is reliable.
Studying others' mystical experiences, looking into claimed supernatural experience and miracles. But I believe that if there is a God and we seek him, he'll reveal himself to those who seek him when the time is right. For whatever reason, I'm convinced of his existence. So I believe he revealed that to me.
Quote:I do not tell you that gods are not real. My position, and that of many (if not most) atheists, is that we have no reason to accept theist's claims that a god does exist, because theists have not met their burden of proof.
I do believe that no gods exist, but I do not claim to know that with absolute certainty, nor is it a dogmatic belief, it is provisional. As long as theists continue to fail to meet their burden of proof, I will continue to be unconvinced of their claims (an atheist).
I'm open too. If I can be absolutely convinced there is no God, I'll believe it.
(August 22, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The pantheists that I know, including World Pantheism, do not define pantheism that way. They define it as the universe is god.
They do not believe in any supernatural realm or existence.
Quote:Why do they bother saying that the universe is god if they don't believe in the supernatural? Why not just say that the universe is the universe? Why bother getting into the whole god thing in the first place? There are also pantheists who believe as I describe..
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What does it even mean for there to be "before the advent of time"? That sounds pretty incoherent
I could have said "before the beginning of the universe." Some believe time began with the beginning of the universe.
Quote:What demonstrable and falsifiable evidence do you have for the contention, that there is an "outside to our closed system"?
The universe is expanding all the time. What is the space it's expanding into?
Quote:If you have another method, please enlighten us what it is. And more importantly, tell us how you know it is reliable.
Studying others' mystical experiences, looking into claimed supernatural experience and miracles. But I believe that if there is a God and we seek him, he'll reveal himself to those who seek him when the time is right. For whatever reason, I'm convinced of his existence. So I believe he revealed that to me.
Quote:I do not tell you that gods are not real. My position, and that of many (if not most) atheists, is that we have no reason to accept theist's claims that a god does exist, because theists have not met their burden of proof.
I do believe that no gods exist, but I do not claim to know that with absolute certainty, nor is it a dogmatic belief, it is provisional. As long as theists continue to fail to meet their burden of proof, I will continue to be unconvinced of their claims (an atheist).
I'm open too. If I can be absolutely convinced there is no God, I'll believe it.
I have no idea what happened above, but they are giving me no way to fix it. What a mess! Sorry.
