RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 22, 2019 at 4:54 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2019 at 4:58 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 22, 2019 at 4:09 pm)Lek Wrote:(August 22, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Lets grant you for the sake of the argument that all your claims about science in the second paragraph are true. How does the limitation(s) of science make any of your claims of pantheism (and god/s) true?It doesn't. It means that I think there are means other than natural one to come about the truth. If you dismiss these out of the gate, you probably won't find the truth.
I don't dismiss them out of the gate. I am just not sure they exist.
To repeat, I just want to know if they exist and are reliable. Please describe them, and tell us how you know they are reliable. Can you demonstrate your claim concerning "other methods"?
Let me put this into context.
If a scientist measures the speed of light, observes subparticles, measures the distance to the sun, etc, it doesn't matter what their theistic beliefs are or the culture they grew up in, they will all get the same results. Thereby demonstrating the reliability of the scientific method.
On the other hand, if a Christian hits their knees and prays, a Muslim makes a pilgrimage to Mecca and prays 15 times a day, a Buddhist meditate daily, a Scientologist connect themselves to an Emeter, etc, etc, they will all get different, mutually exclusive results. In other words, theist methods are unreliable.
To add, science does not make proclamations about truth. They make models that best describe reality, based on demonstrable evidence.
Quote:In order to belief in the story of Satan tempting Jesus in the wilderness, you must believe in God or whatever that supernatural presence is to you. Pantheists believe in that.
Did you bother to read the website I previously posted? Here is is again -
WORLD PANTHEISM
There are zero logical paths from pantheism, to "Satan tempting Jesus in the wilderness", or any theistic belief for that matter.
Quote:Pantheists believe in that
No, they don't.
Pantheism has no supernatural beliefs. Individual pantheists may, but it is not part of pantheism.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
