(August 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(August 29, 2019 at 1:18 pm)Lek Wrote: Well, I got a science lesson and some opinions and theories, but but I still don't whether or not energy had a beginning or it it has infinite existence.That's because NOBODY knows for sure.
Quote:Nobody knows whether or not anything exists beyond our physical universe or if anything with different qualities exists or ever existed here or anywhere.
I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/
Quote:I'm also left to wonder if all of existence has any transcendent meaning to it or if we're "just here", and that's it. You and I are living our lives trying to make them meaningful and also helping others to have better lives. I guess you can accept that is all it's about, but it doesn't make any sense to me. I see see to much evidence of supernatural existence and I know what God has convinced me of.
Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.
But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.
Quote:Fortunately, we're all free to choose our own paths. I don't really try too hard to convert anybody who doesn't want to be converted these days. It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff. I'll continue to believe in God until something proves to me or convinces me of his non-existence.
It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.
One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.
We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning. It's what makes sense.