God, Energy and Matter

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That's because NOBODY knows for sure.


I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/


Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.

But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.


It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.

One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.

We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I  like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I  believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning.  It's what makes sense.

we all agree that we are part of  larger more complex system.  And when we look at defining what life is it looks like we are part of something that may very well be alive.  At least thats what the data suggest. Its such a valid position that many militant atheist can't process it openly and honestly. Any more than a fundy theist can't openly and honestly process how far off base some of their stances are.

But there is no biblegod type thing or any over seer type thing keeping track of our habits.