RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 6, 2019 at 1:41 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2019 at 1:46 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 5, 2019 at 8:36 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 5, 2019 at 4:55 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: To continue to beat a dead horse, Hindus have faith, Muslims have faith, Zoroastrians have faith, Sikhs have faith, and they all have reached mutually exclusive god beliefs. This fact alone, is pretty strong evidence that faith is unreliable.
They're not mutually exclusive. All the faiths you mentioned believe in one all powerful and all knowing God who created and sustains our universe. Hindus and Sikhs don't even try to proselytize because they believe that other religions can lead to the same God. These faiths agree that it is impossible to totally comprehend God in our human state. They have different ideas about God based on religious and cultural differences. They can't all be right about those things, but they all can be right about the existence of God. Those who believe in him are moving toward that goal of comprehending God completely.
I think this is a load of BS.
Christians believe that the only way heaven is by belief/worship of Jesus. Muslims believe that there is a special place in Jahannam (Islam hell) for Christians, and only being a follower of Allah will get you to the Islam heaven. Hindus believe in 3 main gods, and when you die you go to Naraka to have your sins burned away, then are reincarnated, etc, etc.
Their beliefs are mutually exclusive.
Sure, they can all be right about the existence of gods, in the most general way. But they can also all be wrong. Too bad none of them are able to demonstrate their theistic claims.
If you are arguing for a deist god(s) (a nonpersonal god(s) of first cause, that does not interact with its creation), then yes, all those religions have the belief in god(s) in common. No argument here.
Quote:Earlier in this thread we were discussing quasars. Astronomers all agree that quasars exist, but the don't agree on what they are or what their total effects on the universe are. Nonetheless they know that they exist.
Yes, scientist know they exist because of massive amounts of evidence, observation, elegant math that supports their existence, etc. If anything like the evidence for the existence of quasars, existed for the existence of gods, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I would be convinced gods exist.
Quote: I think we'll all come to that belief eventually. It will just take some longer than others. And yes, I think you are to blame.
I take it back about the blame part. That's not for me to judge. Sorry.
What if I were to die today? I would be dying a nonbeliever.
What about the many known atheists who are still atheists on their deathbed? And millions unknown?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
