RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 11, 2019 at 3:11 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2019 at 3:11 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 10, 2019 at 4:55 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 10, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Aegon Wrote: I don't get it. Why are you adding God in it?? Where is it necessary?? I don't understand why you're making that presupposition! I don't understand!!!!
I don't get the reasons why and the hows either. I just believe because God has impressed it on me.
(September 10, 2019 at 2:46 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, in my 'condition' (the inability to believe existential claims without demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument), what is my equivalent to AA?
I wasn't bringing in AA to say we all need an "AA". I was just making the point that alcoholics can do something to change their situations despite a physical predisposition by God to become addicted.
I understood what you meant.
But if AA allows alcoholics to change their predisposition given to them by 'god', then you must also believe that I can do something to change my situation, given to me by 'god', to do something about my predisposition of not being able to believe he exists without demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument.
What can I do about my situation, so I will believe without getting evidence?
Quote:In your theology, can anything happen that is not god's will?
Quote:No. But I don't apply that in a manner that God is holding the puppet strings and making us do what he wants. I think that he willed us to make mistakes when he put us in this world, so that when we make wrong decisions it is according to his will. It is also his will that we will return to him and that is what will happen.
What I meant was, if 'god' made me with the inability to believe he exists, without evidence and reasoned argument to support his existence, then I have no choice, do I?
If he made me to currently have the inability to believe he exists, but sometime in the future, something happens where I do believe he exists, then isn't that still his doing?
Obviously, 1,000,000's of people die as atheists. If I were to die right now, I would die as an atheist. So, he obviously created some percentage of people to disbelieve he exists.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.


