RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 11, 2019 at 6:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2019 at 7:32 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 11, 2019 at 5:36 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 11, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But if AA allows alcoholics to change their predisposition given to them by 'god', then you must also believe that I can do something to change my situation, given to me by 'god', to do something about my predisposition of not being able to believe he exists without demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument.
What can I do about my situation, so I will believe without getting evidence?
Do what the alcoholic does, make a willful decision against that predisposition.
That 'predisposition' you are asking me to act against, is: critical thinking, skepticism, rationality, valid and sound logic, etc. You have to provide me with a rational reason for me to do that first.
Please demonstrate to me, that by acting against my predisposition of critical thinking, skepticism, rationality, valid and sound logic, I will be more likely to be able to discern fact from fantasy.
And please convince me, that you are not acting in harmony with your predisposition, and convince me that your predisposition is not just gullibility.
Quote:Allow yourself to honestly seek God and be willing to believe what he impresses on you without requiring solid physical evidence. You have the ability to act against your predisposition.
As I've stated many times previously, I was once a believer. I spent decades sincerely 'seeking god'.
Quote:If you sincerely seek him and he doesn't give you any assurance, then you've done what you can, but as long as you require God to act on your terms, you won't get there. Sometimes it doesn't happen immediately, but so what? What is wrong with remaining open to meeting him on his terms?
Been there, done that.
Quote:It's not that you don't have the ability to believe, but rather have a predisposition to require physical evidence. I'm sure that you have gone against that predisposition at times in your life. You said you were a christian for many years. God already gave you the ability to act against that predisposition. So no. I don't believe God makes us do anything against our free will.
It depends on the type of claim, as to whether I will believe without evidence. If you claimed you had a dog, I will believe this without evidence. If you claimed you took a trip to the moon to walk your dog, I will certainly disbelieve this claim, and ask for evidence.
Yes, I believed before I actually learned what constitutes good evidence and rational reasons to believe claims. For years I applied those methods to: alien abductions, bigfoot, Loch Ness, etc, etc. But I did not apply them to my theistic beliefs (compartmentalization is great at protecting bad beliefs from critical thinking). As soon as I applied those methods to my theistic beliefs, it was easy for me to tell they were unwarranted.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.