RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 12, 2019 at 1:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2019 at 1:41 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 12, 2019 at 9:23 am)Aegon Wrote:(September 11, 2019 at 5:03 pm)Lek Wrote: No. You believe the universe exists, but you don't know the "whys" and "hows". We all believe in stuff that we don't totally understand.
Yeah but I have pretty great reasons for believing the universe exists, such as... being alive? I don't see how you think God's existence is so clear without any additional "whys" and "hows."
His "whys" are, because he has 'feelings' that god exists.
His "hows" are, because that's 'how god works'. Yes, he is actually appealing to the 'mysterious ways' argument.
The problem with his epistemology, is people of all religious beliefs, and with other supernatural beliefs, than his own, all claim to have 'feelings' of their beliefs being true. Even when they are mutually exclusive to his beliefs, or to each other.
And his poor attempt to justify their mutually exclusive beliefs, by saying, "they all believe in the same god, they just have the details different", is ridiculous on its face.
And the problem with his "how", like I already stated, is nothing more than the 'mysterious ways' argument. Just because he restates it as, "you have to meet god on his terms", doesn't make it any more rational.
Oh yeah, it is also nothing more than an unsupported assertion, to make the entire thing worse.
He's got horrible epistemology, and he claims we are the ones doing it wrong.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
