RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 13, 2019 at 8:14 pm
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2019 at 8:19 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 13, 2019 at 6:46 pm)Lek Wrote: If God truly revealed himself to them, they should know.
Are you saying, that in the history of humanity, there haven't been a significant percentage of people, that seriously, sincerely, believe god has revealed his existence to them, but were delusional? Even many of them, who claim to 'know', with as much fervor and earnestness as you have?
Quote:You and I wouldn't know if their experience was real or not. We might believe it or not.
Then we might not have warrant to believe them, right? And we might not have warrant to believe your claims either. You just might be, no matter how sincerely you believe, have had some delusional experience. Just like many of those people that have equally strong belief as you have, but were mistaking or delusional.
Quote:If a thousand people told me, I would be more likely to believe it than if there was just one.
Yeah, because 'so many other people also believe the same thing' has worked so well for all those billions of people down through history who believed: the earth is flat, god throws lightning bolts, disease is caused by magical curses, mental disease is caused by demon possession, the earth is the center of the universe, etc, etc, etc.
Remember, 1.5 billion Muslims believe Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse. Does the number of people that believe that, add any credibility to the claim?
Your appeal to popularity fallacy is really convincing

Quote:We're not discussing some obscure thing, but something the majority of people have believed throughout history. That includes today in the scientific age. Reputable scientists believe it. It's not the same as seeing pink elephants.
And at one time, believing in the flat earth was a very common thing. Again, how did that work out?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.