(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.
Mind then matter is the preferred choice rather than matter then mind (who thinks that way, anyway)? Are we to believe that elements got together, and suddenly they had thought*. And by the way, what was that first thought ever that was possible even before language to think that thought.
*Perhaps it was a hairless rat that thought 'would be good to have hair' (whatever that is).
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
