RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 14, 2019 at 9:04 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2019 at 9:07 am by polymath257.)
(September 13, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 13, 2019 at 9:10 am)polymath257 Wrote: Hmmm...even if you think there is only one *real* god, you have to admit there are many *fictitious* gods. And that many people believe those fictitious gods actually exist and that they talk to such.
So, why should I believe you are talking to the real god and not one of the many fictitious ones? In fact, why should I believe that *any* gods are real? Maybe they are *all* fictitious?
The only way you'll know is if God reveals it to you. Otherwise you won't know.
OK, so you God revealed himself to you. Others claim God revealed himself to them.
But what you claim about God, given your revelation, and what they claim about God, given their revelation, are different.
That means someone *thinks* that God revealed himself to them and they were *wrong*.
So, why should I believe any of you? Clearly most people who claim to have had revelations from God are wrong. Why should you be any different?
You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong. It is quite likely that ALL the feelings of revelation are illusory.
(September 14, 2019 at 2:25 am)snowtracks Wrote:(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.
Mind then matter is the preferred choice rather than matter then mind (who thinks that way, anyway)? Are we to believe that elements got together, and suddenly they had thought*. And by the way, what was that first thought ever that was possible even before language to think that thought.
*Perhaps it was a hairless rat that thought 'would be good to have hair' (whatever that is).
I think it is pretty common (even standard) to have matter--> mind.
A thought is just a certain type of information processing and matter produces information all the time (information is, in essence, the same as entropy).
It is clear to me that many animals have thoughts without language, so your concern about the order between thoughts and language seems to be nonsense.
