RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 14, 2019 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2019 at 12:43 pm by Lek.)
(September 13, 2019 at 8:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Are you saying, that in the history of humanity, there haven't been a significant percentage of people, that seriously, sincerely, believe god has revealed his existence to them, but were delusional? Even many of them, who claim to 'know', with as much fervor and earnestness as you have?
I'm sure some were delusional, but that doesn't mean that everybody was. There are people who are delusional about all kinds of stuff.
Quote:Then we might not have warrant to believe them, right? And we might not have warrant to believe your claims either. You just might be, no matter how sincerely you believe, have had some delusional experience. Just like many of those people that have equally strong belief as you have, but were mistaking or delusional.
I wouldn't believe based entirely on the testimony of others or the prevalence of them, but it would be a factor which would make me take it seriously.
Quote:Yeah, because 'so many other people also believe the same thing' has worked so well for all those billions of people down through history who believed: the earth is flat, god throws lightning bolts, disease is caused by magical curses, mental disease is caused by demon possession, the earth is the center of the universe, etc, etc, etc.
After the Enlightenment the huge majority of people continued to believe and also during the Industrial Revolution. During the Modern and Post-modern era the large majority continue to believe in God - people from all walks of life including a large percentage of scientists.
Quote:Remember, 1.5 billion Muslims believe Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse. Does the number of people that believe that, add any credibility to the claim?
God is unquantifiable. Like I stated before, we all try to come up with images of God in our minds, based on our culture and experiences. Actually, we're all wrong in that regard. And I will agree that tons of stories from various religions are myth. Myth has been used through history as a way to pass on underlying truths. I believe the Vedas and Upanishads contain tons of spiritual wisdom which can be used on one's journey to God.
Quote:And at one time, believing in the flat earth was a very common thing. Again, how did that work out?
We believed in all kinds of incorrect things at one time. That doesn't mean belief in God is wrong. I'm not going to abandon my faith because someone long ago who believed in God also believed incorrectly about natural occurrences or if a culture passed along truths and traditions in the form of myths. I'm also not going to abandon it because many people lied about about stuff, which atheists also did.