RE: God, Energy and Matter
September 17, 2019 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2019 at 2:22 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Lek Wrote: As for evidence, I've given you my evidence over and over again throughout this thread, to which you've replied that it's not real evidence. I'm not going to waste my time reiterating what I've already stated.
In other words, this god created humans with minds capable of coming up with ideas of what constitutes good evidence, with the result of coming up with every single real, demonstrable advancement known to humanity, i.e., medical science, computers, flight, space exploration, quantum mechanics, lifespans more than double of just 100 years ago, etc, etc.
Yet, he wants us to abandon using our minds, using that same level of evidence, that got us all those real world advancements, in order to believe his own existence (based on a weaker level of evidence).
Sorry, but your god sounds like a bit if a dick. Sounds like he wants to remain hidden from the most rational of his creation.
Quote:Concerning your questions as to why God would not want to provide you with the evidence that you're looking for. I don't know why, but it is my thought that it's because in uniting with God we must surrender our egos. When we do that we can't demand that God do things our way. I don't know why God does things the way he does. Also, since God is unquantifiable, he can't be described physically anyway. As for his effects - the universe is all around us.
Either he wants to purposely remain hidden to those with a modicum of critical thinking skills, which I guess there is nothing we can do about that.
Just who do you think has the biggest egos? Those of us who do not claim to know, with absolute certainty. Or you, that believes the creator of the universe has special plans for you?
The universe is ONLY evidence that the universe exists. As for its cause, you need to demonstrate that a god was responsible. Sounds like yet another fallacy on your part, argument from personal incredulity.
Quote:In another direction, you guys think that even though we have our modern scientific knowledge with us, a few billion people in the world are mistaken or hallucinating and only you can see through the illusion?
I am not claiming that I can 'see through the illusion'. My claim is that no theist has ever met their burden of proof.
You, and other theists may be right, I just find that currently, I have no warrant to believe your claims.
And let me add, that yes, it does seem that there are better, natural explanations for the reasons why the majority of humanity believes in gods, than that actual gods exist.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
