God, Energy and Matter

[Abaddon_ire]

How have you made this connection? I understand that matter cannot be created or destroyed, so far as we know, but where did you make the connection from this concept to god?

My connection is that we think of God as being eternal - always existed and always will.

Nope. God is simply yet another myth. A comfort blanket.

 I look into science and discover that energy and matter can not be created or destroyed, giving it an eternal quality which it shares with God.

You have not looked very far, have you?

Pantheists believe that the universe is God.  In this case matter would be God, and energy could be viewed as his creative force and what keeps the universe in existence.

Who cares? Have they evidence? No.

Once again, where are you making this connection? Where are you getting the information that god shares these qualities with energy?

I think I answered this above.  It was my own musing.  I was coming with an example in which faith and nature were in agreement and soliciting comments.

And there is your problem. Your indolent musings are evidence of nothing more than that you have too much time on your hands.

Are you claiming that god is a conscious being that takes the form of energy? So is energy conscious? Or is this just another way of saying, "the closest thing there is to a god is energy itself."

i'm thinking that, if the pantheist view is correct, then God is energy and he is the effects of energy.  Like God, the universe is eternal in it's purest form.  Therefore are God and the universe one in the same?  I make the possible connection because I'm a theist.

You cannot possibly know any of that, thus it is mere navel lint. Think otherwise? Present evidence. For any of it. For me, I am convinced by the argument that this is not about god and never was. It is about you, stroking your ego.

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In other words, this god created humans with minds capable of coming up with ideas of what constitutes good evidence, with the result of coming up with every single real, demonstrable advancement known to humanity, i.e., medical science, computers, flight, space exploration, quantum mechanics, lifespans more than double of just 100 years ago, etc, etc.

How about the wonderful result of destroying the world we live in?

How about the fact that some of your fellow god-botherers think that's OK because god will fix it? That is the problem with your kind. Always trying to shift responsibility away from yourselves.

Yet, he wants us to abandon using our minds, using that same level of evidence, that got us all those real world advancements, in order to believe his own existence (based on a weaker level of evidence).

He doesn't want us to abandon using our minds.  He wants us to expand our perception of reality

How is this supposed to happen? Faith?

Just who do you think has the biggest egos? Those of us who do not claim to know, with absolute certainty. Or you, that believes the creator of the universe has special plans for you?

I think the ones with the smallest egos are the ones who desire to give our lives to God, rather than just doing everything we want.

Except that is not what is happening here. What you are in fact doing is pretending to give your life to god in order to experience the smug sense of superiority that underlies all of your baloney. It is that gratification that you seek. No more no less.

I am not claiming that I can 'see through the illusion'. My claim is that no theist has ever met their burden of proof.

You, and other theists may be right, I just find that currently, I have no warrant to believe your claims.

And let me add, that yes, it does seem that there are better, natural explanations for the reasons why the majority of humanity believes in gods, than that actual gods exist.

Don't rely on theists to meet your burden of truth.  If you're asking God to provide proof and you're convinced he hasn't, then blame him.

LOLWUT? Blame a non-existant being for the failures of his adherents? Seriously?

No, that failure falls squarely on the gullible adherents. No point attempting blame shifting now.