(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:Fine. Since you are too bone ass lazy to google.Abaddon_ire Wrote:Therefore a vegan diet is not really beneficial?Er, no, I am saying that the claims such as "Fish contains good fats, including omega-3-acids, so it protects against heart disease." or "Flax contains a lot of omega-3-acids, therefore it protects against heart disease." aren't based on solid evidence.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Then you have not looked very far.You are one making an extraordinary claim (that one of the most respected nutritionists of our time has said obviously wrong stuff), so the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:See the above study. It is just one of many you could find if you got off your butt.Abaddon_ire Wrote:If you are going to a priori reject and replicable scientific study, then what's the point?If it doesn't control for a known and a huge factor (make sure that it's not that most of the participants already have high cholesterol levels), then it can't really be called "scientific".
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:See the above study. It is just one of many you could find if you got off your butt.Abaddon_ire Wrote:Should everybody therefore stop eating?No, what I am saying is that GMOs can save us from cancer, and that it perhaps could have already if it hadn't been for the anti-GMO movement.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Then look it the fuck up.Again, you are one making an extraordinary claim, so the burden of proof is on you.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:I can fucking read. How about you?Abaddon_ire Wrote:An enormous amount of drugs that you or I take for granted are developed from and tested on animals.How do you know?
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: What I do know is that insulin used to be extracted from horse blood, but now it's synthesized from oil-derived compounds.Bullshit. Meat and fish contain 3 and 4 times as much B12 as any vegetable respectively. While antibiotics are a problem, that is for other reasons, not B12.
As for testing on animals, I think you know it's a very controversial topic, and that the evidence that testing on animals helps is very wobbly.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Bullshit. Another lie invented by the vegan terrorists. Any fresh animal flesh supplies copious B12.Claiming that some well-known thing (that meat from factory-farmed animals doesn't contain adequate amount of B12 because of the antibiotics) is false places the burden of proof on you.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:Stop conflating two different issues.Abaddon_ire Wrote:And that is a different issue which has real ramifications. But fuck all to do with veganism.It's quite well-accepted that people switching to a vegetarian diet would greatly reduce the problem of antibiotic resistance.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:I eat a fair amount of fresh seafood. It isn't particularly expensive.Abaddon_ire Wrote:Or alternatively, don't be a vegan.OK, so, if you are not a vegan, you essentially have four ways of getting B12:
1. Eat a lot of sea-food. (Which is expensive.)
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: 2. Make sure the meat you eat comes from animals that haven't been treated with antibiotics. (Which is inconvenient and expensive.)And utterly irrelevant to B12 content.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: 3. Eat unclean fruits and vegetables. (Which is not safe.)FFS.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: 4. Get the pills.No thanks. I prefer a balanced diet.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: If you are a vegan, then there are two ways, namely, the last two of those mentioned.And there is the problem. Veganism only works with artificial supplements. That is, by definition, unnatural.
Either way, the best way appears to be the 4th one.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:Vegans reject GMO crops while being unaware that EVERYTHING they eat actually is a GMO. I reject that nonsense out of hand for the baloney that it really is.Abaddon_ire Wrote:Another vegan lie.What does that have to do with veganism?
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:And in the wild? Because there exists a huge population of them. And they are alive right now. How will they thrive if we simply release them?Abaddon_ire Wrote:Left to their own devices, their lives will necessarily be nasty, brutish and short.First, what makes you think their lives would necessarily be shorter than in factory farms? In a factory farm, a cow lives 5-7 years, and a grass-fed cow lives 20-30 years.
(October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Second, why would they be bred in the first place if nobody is eating meat?They wouldn't. That still leaves you with the millions that are currently alive. Shall we apply the PETA final solution of simply killing them all?