Saturated Fat Controversy

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Therefore a vegan diet is not really beneficial?

Er, no, I am saying that the claims such as "Fish contains good fats, including omega-3-acids, so it protects against heart disease." or "Flax contains a lot of omega-3-acids, therefore it protects against heart disease." aren't based on solid evidence.

Then you have not looked very far.

You are one making an extraordinary claim (that one of the most respected nutritionists of our time has said obviously wrong stuff), so the burden of proof is on you.

If you are going to a priori reject and replicable scientific study, then what's the point?

If it doesn't control for a known and a huge factor (make sure that it's not that most of the participants already have high cholesterol levels), then it can't really be called "scientific".

Should everybody therefore stop eating?

No, what I am saying is that GMOs can save us from cancer, and that it perhaps could have already if it hadn't been for the anti-GMO movement.

Then look it the fuck up.

Again, you are one making an extraordinary claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

An enormous amount of drugs that you or I take for granted are developed from and tested on animals.

How do you know? What I do know is that insulin used to be extracted from horse blood, but now it's synthesized from oil-derived compounds.
As for testing on animals, I think you know it's a very controversial topic, and that the evidence that testing on animals helps is very wobbly.

Bullshit. Another lie invented by the vegan terrorists. Any fresh animal flesh supplies copious B12.

Claiming that some well-known thing (that meat from factory-farmed animals doesn't contain adequate amount of B12 because of the antibiotics) is false places the burden of proof on you.

And that is a different issue which has real ramifications. But fuck all to do with veganism.

It's quite well-accepted that people switching to a vegetarian diet would greatly reduce the problem of antibiotic resistance.

Or alternatively, don't be a vegan.

OK, so, if you are not a vegan, you essentially have four ways of getting B12:
1. Eat a lot of sea-food. (Which is expensive.)
2. Make sure the meat you eat comes from animals that haven't been treated with antibiotics. (Which is inconvenient and expensive.)
3. Eat unclean fruits and vegetables. (Which is not safe.)
4. Get the pills.
If you are a vegan, then there are two ways, namely, the last two of those mentioned.
Either way, the best way appears to be the 4th one.

Another vegan lie.

What does that have to do with veganism?

Left to their own devices, their lives will necessarily be nasty, brutish and short.

First, what makes you think their lives would necessarily be shorter than in factory farms? In a factory farm, a cow lives 5-7 years, and a grass-fed cow lives 20-30 years.
Second, why would they be bred in the first place if nobody is eating meat?

Easier on the eye, like this.

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Therefore a vegan diet is not really beneficial?

Er, no, I am saying that the claims such as "Fish contains good fats, including omega-3-acids, so it protects against heart disease." or "Flax contains a lot of omega-3-acids, therefore it protects against heart disease." aren't based on solid evidence.

Then you have not looked very far.

You are one making an extraordinary claim (that one of the most respected nutritionists of our time has said obviously wrong stuff), so the burden of proof is on you.

If you are going to a priori reject and replicable scientific study, then what's the point?

If it doesn't control for a known and a huge factor (make sure that it's not that most of the participants already have high cholesterol levels), then it can't really be called "scientific".

Should everybody therefore stop eating?

No, what I am saying is that GMOs can save us from cancer, and that it perhaps could have already if it hadn't been for the anti-GMO movement.

Then look it the fuck up.

Again, you are one making an extraordinary claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

An enormous amount of drugs that you or I take for granted are developed from and tested on animals.

How do you know? What I do know is that insulin used to be extracted from horse blood, but now it's synthesized from oil-derived compounds.
As for testing on animals, I think you know it's a very controversial topic, and that the evidence that testing on animals helps is very wobbly.

Bullshit. Another lie invented by the vegan terrorists. Any fresh animal flesh supplies copious B12.

Claiming that some well-known thing (that meat from factory-farmed animals doesn't contain adequate amount of B12 because of the antibiotics) is false places the burden of proof on you.

And that is a different issue which has real ramifications. But fuck all to do with veganism.

It's quite well-accepted that people switching to a vegetarian diet would greatly reduce the problem of antibiotic resistance.

Or alternatively, don't be a vegan.

OK, so, if you are not a vegan, you essentially have four ways of getting B12:
1. Eat a lot of sea-food. (Which is expensive.)
2. Make sure the meat you eat comes from animals that haven't been treated with antibiotics. (Which is inconvenient and expensive.)
3. Eat unclean fruits and vegetables. (Which is not safe.)
4. Get the pills.
If you are a vegan, then there are two ways, namely, the last two of those mentioned.
Either way, the best way appears to be the 4th one.

Another vegan lie.

What does that have to do with veganism?

Left to their own devices, their lives will necessarily be nasty, brutish and short.

First, what makes you think their lives would necessarily be shorter than in factory farms? In a factory farm, a cow lives 5-7 years, and a grass-fed cow lives 20-30 years.
Second, why would they be bred in the first place if nobody is eating meat?