Saturated Fat Controversy

[Abaddon_ire]

See the above study.

OK, the abstract of that study basically says that giving up meat reduces the risk of heart disease by around 30%, except for fish, it makes no difference if you eat fish or not regarding the heart disease. I don't see that as contradicting something Greger is saying.

OK then you have a reading comprehension failure.

Meat and fish contain 3 and 4 times as much B12 as any vegetable respectively.

Where are you getting that from? If a vegetable contains B12, there is a big chance it also contains dangerous bacteria.

From the scientific research that you conspicuously avoid.

While antibiotics are a problem, that is for other reasons, not B12.

Antibiotics in meat industry are a problem both because of antibiotic resistance, and because they kill the bacteria that produce B12.

Even if true (and you have failed to demonstrate that) meat still provides far more B12 than any vegetable source.

I eat a fair amount of fresh seafood. It isn't particularly expensive.

OK, now, a can of fish, which contains, if you are being generous, 50 micrograms of B12, costs, if you are being generous, 9 kunas. A packing of B12 supplements, of 50 pills of 100 micrograms, costs 60 kunas. So, trying to get B12 from fish is an order of a magnitude more expensive than getting it from pills.

I don't eat canned fish. Why would I? You fail.

And utterly irrelevant to B12 content.

Again, if you are going to deny a well-known fact that meat from animals that have been treated with antibiotics contains significantly less B12, the burden of proof is on you.

Since you are so hot on the burden of proof, how about you support your claim that antibiotics eliminate B12 from fresh meat. You have never done so.

FFS.

Where do you think first humans got B12 from? From plants infected with bacteria, of course. First humans couldn't have hunted before the invention of the tools.

Tools were in common use before the "first" humans. How is it possible that you did not know this?

Veganism only works with artificial supplements.

Do you have any doubts first humans ate a mainly vegan diet?

Yup. It is a vegan myth that a golden age of human veganism ever happened.

Vegans reject GMO crops while being unaware that EVERYTHING they eat actually is a GMO.

This is as stupid as saying that atheists are communists or that atheists are against nuclear power. No, veganism in no way implies being anti-GMO.

That is contrary to what vegans claim. I have no clue why you are so blissfully unaware of the tenets of the world view you espouse.

That still leaves you with the millions that are currently alive.

This is as stupid as saying that we shouldn't stop smoking because workers at tobacco farms in Cuba might starve because of that.

Analogy failure. Workers at tobacco farms can seek other employ. Cows? Not so much. They can't stay in place because we would require that land to cultivate crops. Thus, in your magic fairyland, the cows would become...what? Arboreal tree dwelling tarzan beasts?